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Old 10-05-2017, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Vector1 View Post
The NRA typically analyses matters as it relates to the 2nd Amendment, rather than knee-jerking to liberal media/politicians to potentially violate our constitutional rights.

Bump/slide stocks have not been around all that long, and are not really that popular. I have used one at the range, and all it does is make firing more inaccurate.
Sure it makes it a little easier to blow throw ammo instead of rapidly pulling the trigger, but that is about it. Hence the low price, as they are not in high demand.

Needless to say anti-gun liberals want to ban any and everything, so if they can even get a small victory (the way they look at it), they are thrilled after so many defeats because citizens reject their failed ideology.
Don't forget, many a Democrat is a gun owner, and does not want the liberal wing to push their anti-gun agenda.



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I assume the NRA was against the bill that included a ban on Bump Stocks back in 2013, this was a fight they didn't want. They were for them but after ths massacre they would have ended up on the losing side, who in theri right mind could support this.


They might not have been that popular in the past but the stocks are depleted at this moment and some stores are pulling them off the shelves.


No one wants to a complete gun ban that isn't even remotely possible, but if they can't agree on something as straight forward as this then we are really hopeless. I don't quite undertand the thrill in wasting ammunition in this fashion unless you have an endless supply of cash or ammunition.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Because guns were smuggled into Jamaica from U.S.:
Guns from America fuel Jamaica's gang wars - The San Diego Union-Tribune

We are the source of problem for Jamaica.
Ahem....

Jamaica's gangs are the source of the problem for Jamaica.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
Your understanding of the second amendment is no better than your punctuation.
I understand it's killing thousands of innocent people every year. That's enough.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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Yet he didn't use dynamite which would have been much more convenient. Probably because he couldn't get a hold of any. Which is my point.
If you wish to make a bomb you only need some off the shelf gradients. The ingredients are no secret. The same type of explosive is commonly used in the mining industry because it's very effective explosive at blowing up hard things and ver safe to handle.

Furthermore based on the footage it appears that was very open area with very easy access, why didn't he just butt a huge a 4 wheel drive, lift it, push bars, and so on. Drive it right the 22K crowd....

The point is if you want ti kill a lot of people you will not stop someone like this from doing it.
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is no indication that self defense was a big issue.
Are you upset that the numerous reports of robberies, rapes, murders, assaults, and intimidations that were common in colonial days, weren't all listed word for word in the Constitution?
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We have long since abandoned the overthrow capability
What you mean "we", Kimosabe?

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and, with wide agreement have banned the weapons
Yup, here come the lies and preposterous wishful thinking, right on schedule.

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So basically we have all agreed not to follow the original intent.
Look in the dictionary under "Garbage In, Garbage Out", and you will find the two last quotes above listed in close proximity.

You know the liberals have resoundingly lost the debate, when they start coming up with such ridiculous fibs, and try to draw conclusions based solely on those fibs.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Yet, we don't allow the sale or possession of bombs, now do we?
You can build a bomb out of what you have under the kitchen sink and pressure cookers, pipes and nails are easy to acquire. You might wan to learn more about the explosive properties of products and the ease of making a bomb. The boys in OK used Fertilizer.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Ahem....

Jamaica's gangs are the source of the problem for Jamaica.
There are gangs in every country, i.e. Yakuza in Japan, Triad in China. But these societies are under strict gun control. They also have their share of gang wars. But with weapons primarily like knife, the casualty is much lower and hardly any collateral damage like innocent pedestrians hit by stray bullets as in U.S.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Gone
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exactly. We just will find ways to have snipers at the top of hotels keeping watch on people punching out windows. Then people will complain about even more militarized police forces...
I would not complain, other than to say that I should be able to have any firearm that law enforcement has, but that is just me and I have had far more fire power at my disposal than they will ever have, we hope.
An Armed Citizenry means an Honest Government.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:09 PM
 
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Actually they are in the Left direction as both sites are Left wing which is why mainstream media is paying attention now. If the identical research and article were from Breitbart and Fox News, it would have been dismissed immediately.
Well I meant the correct direction knowing that both are left. We should take what we can get when it comes to guns and the media.
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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No one can get into their ACTUAL thought process about technological advances.

What history DOES tell you, is that technology moved VERY SLOWLY, and the chances of them having an understanding the changes over 200 years would be very limited when it comes to technology.
This looks like a good place to jump in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
Takes 2-3 seconds to fire a round, predates the Constitution by about, at least, 150 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
Has an external magazine, fired at 9 rounds a minute, predates the Constitution by about 60 years.

Even if we say that these weapons were not practical, it still shows a proof of concept of what weapons technology could have been back then.

There were other examples around the time such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookson_repeater .
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