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Pretty much, yeah. I don't see any issue with how the conversation is going so far. Doesn't seem like anyone has a reasonable answer though.
But you have a fatal flaw. People have to communicate, people don't have to have guns. I'm not saying that I care about gun control or not but you're not arguing 2 equals. Furthermore, outside of absolutes like 2+2=4, most speech are interpretations/opinions even if presented as fact. You can't really legislate opinions.
Maybe arguing about cars would be closer. You don't need a car, cars in the wrong hands, etc. but seriously, who cares? Your guns aren't going anywhere.
10-05-2017, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by t206
When the founding fathers wrote the original words of the 1st Ammendment, they had no idea how technology would drastically change communications.
With the advent of things like the internet, blogs, FaceBook, and twitter, it is WAY too dangerous to let anyone and everyone have access to communicate so many words, so fast and to so many people all at once. You saw what happened with the spread of all this fake news and how it influenced the election, its just not acceptable.
WHY does anyone need the ability to spew out their words to 100s of millions of people across the world in seconds with just the push of a button. This is irresponsible and dangerous.
The founding fathers never could have seen this coming, we need to ban freedom of speech now, its gotten way out of hand from what they intended.
And only be allowed to use words that were available in the 18th century.
And you can only insult a person with a single action insult if you feel they will insult you.
There has been no proof of that happening. It's all allegations coming from the Democrats and it came AFTER Hillary lost.
Whatever you think, the OP theory wouldn't help with the speech originating from another country. What does our law have to do with Russian crime? Nyet
But you have a fatal flaw. People have to communicate, people don't have to have guns. I'm not saying that I care about gun control or not but you're not arguing 2 equals. Furthermore, outside of absolutes like 2+2=4, most speech are interpretations/opinions even if presented as fact. You can't really legislate opinions.
Maybe arguing about cars would be closer. You don't need a car, cars in the wrong hands, etc. but seriously, who cares? Your guns aren't going anywhere.
Thats not a flaw, there are definitely people that need guns. Not everyone, but definitely some, and its up to everyone to decide where they fall. Additionally, my point is about our new advanced way of communications, not just communication as a whole.
No, my guns have nowhere to go since they don't even exist.
Interesting. What exactly don't I understand? Also, the question remains, its not a nonsensical analogy. It applies the same logic to both amendments. Why is that nonsensical?
Comparing words to bullets?
Comparing the number of people who can hear your message to the number who can die by you hand?
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Originally Posted by t206
Thats not a flaw, there are definitely people that need guns. Not everyone, but definitely some, and its up to everyone to decide where they fall. Additionally, my point is about our new advanced way of communications, not just communication as a whole.
No, my guns have nowhere to go since they don't even exist.
If it was up to everyone to decide, how can you argue that it is a "well regulated militia"?
But why do you need so many words at once? And to so many people at once? Its a lot of words and it scares me because you might do bad things with your words.
and THIS right there is the problem....
You are afraid of somebody's words, so your solution is to take it away from everyone? How does this make any sense?
Hit 58 people or 10 million with words, and they go on their way or ignore you.
Hit 58 people long range with bullets from an automatic rifle and they are dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.
Their lives are over--they are never coming back.
Probably the other injured 500 are going to have physical and/or psychological problems for the rest of their lives.
Families are devastated. Children lost parents. Parents lost children. Exponentially hundreds and hundreds of lives are ruined.
Because of one angry crazy ahole with a gun exercising his 2nd amendment rights.
So please don't try to make light of it with a vapid rrelevant comparison.
Epic thread fail.
Nice try, but not a fail at all. See, we have LOTS of people who post here talking about how fake news, social media, and trolls swung the election and how they fear that Trump is going to send us to war, push NK to use their nukes, destroy the environment through regulations so there is clearly a life and death equivalent. You also have a huge issue with people using social media to harass kids who end up killing themselves because they get overwhelmed with messages from their entire class/school, you have ISIS and other hate groups that mass communicate to spread their message, recruit and radicalize people who go on to torture and kill. All of this is accomplished through highly advanced technology that uses mass communication to talk to millions of people with minimal to no regulation across the world at the blink of an eye.
The correlations are clearly there. If you just don't want to see them because you don't like what it means for the gun argument, thats just a failure of basic logic to suit political views.
no we dont, because the freedom of speech is not for the public, its to keep government from coming after you when you open your big mouth, its not a public right, its to keep government at bay.
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