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Old 10-15-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
It's called a Gish gallop, it's a well known bullsh!tting strategy pioneered by a creationist apologist that consists of just throwing out as many claims as possible in as little time as possiblen with no regard for thier factual accuracy. Because it is harder to refute a lie that it is to make them up, it becomes an impracticality to refute them all.

If you see a big list like this, glance over it and see if anything is blatantly factually incorrect. If you find something, now you know the person is BSing you.
Thank you! This needs to be quoted. It’s a common Cult 45 tactic.

 
Old 10-15-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
It's called a Gish gallop, it's a well known bullsh!tting strategy pioneered by a creationist apologist that consists of just throwing out as many claims as possible in as little time as possiblen with no regard for thier factual accuracy. Because it is harder to refute a lie that it is to make them up, it becomes an impracticality to refute them all.

If you see a big list like this, glance over it and see if anything is blatantly factually incorrect. If you find something, now you know the person is BSing you.

Thanks, Snorlax! I love learning new things!


From Wikipedia:

Gish gallop is a term for a debating method that focuses on overwhelming one's opponent with as many arguments as possible, without regard for accuracy or strength of the arguments; it is considered a fallacious technique. . .

The Gish gallop allows a debater to hit their opponent with a rapid series of many specious arguments, half-truths and misrepresentations in a short space of time, which makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of a formal debate. In practice, each point raised by the "Gish galloper" takes considerably more time to refute or fact-check than it did to state in the first place, which wastes the opponent's time and can cast doubt about their debating ability in an audience unfamiliar with the technique, especially if no independent fact-checking is involved.

It is generally more difficult to use the Gish gallop in a structured debate than a free-form one. If one is familiar with an opponent who is known to use the Gish gallop, the technique can be countered somewhat by preempting and refuting their commonly used arguments before they have the chance.
 
Old 10-15-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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But, why would they consider it a victory if their quality of life hasn’t improved (or it’s gotten worse in terms of jobs, healthcare, etc)?
That is a question that will be asked herein should Mr. Trump resign, and we get posters proclaiming his victory.

Remember Mark Twain: It is easy to fool people. However, it is hard to convince those people that they have been fooled.
 
Old 10-15-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
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So sad that the Trump haters can't give him any credit for any of his accomplishments.
What accomplishments? I will give him credit when he actually does something for all of us not just some stupid stuff that his idiotic base cheers for.
 
Old 10-15-2017, 09:43 AM
 
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Why should posters do that? Here is a prior list by the same OP:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...lishments.html

Here is another, by a different poster:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...mps-first.html

Yet another:

//www.city-data.com/forum/polit...president.html

I know there are others, and that some posters pointed out errors each time.

It seems to be a game: list mainly phony accomplishments, and ask others to refute.
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Originally Posted by zzzSnorlax View Post
It's called a Gish gallop, it's a well known bullsh!tting strategy pioneered by a creationist apologist that consists of just throwing out as many claims as possible in as little time as possiblen with no regard for thier factual accuracy. Because it is harder to refute a lie that it is to make them up, it becomes an impracticality to refute them all.

If you see a big list like this, glance over it and see if anything is blatantly factually incorrect. If you find something, now you know the person is BSing you.
All great points.
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