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Libertarians want the freedom to oppress others. They simply want the freedom to take away someone else's freedom. And they don't want the government standing in their way.
Libertarians dislike the government for the same reason that the schoolyard bully dislikes the teacher and the school principal.
I assume that you must have researched your topic and known that libertarians believe government plays essential roles in our society.
When you put out this stuff, I have to conclude that you come with pure evil intention to distort and slander. Why?
Personally, I agree with Mr. Sanders' take on this. It would be a mistake to ignore the influence of Koch-Brothers-styled-libertarian objectives since the 1980s:
Long story short: Libertarian ideology is typically built on false dichotomies, the real world is not experienced that way. Real world problem-solving would be more helpful.
Would like to know what you would call real world solutions. The right has some far fetched ideas of their own. You BOTH let pride and your indignation get in the way of getting the U.S being what it could be.
The Koch list several posts ago leads to even greater plutocracy. A return to the Gilded Age.
The Dem list of today leads to a different set of elites and social control.
This is why we need balance. Either extreme leads to a bad situation for a large portion of the population.
I've talked to some self identified "libertarians" who think it should be against the law to sit/kneel for the pledge/anthem, think it should be illegal to burn the flag, etc... and then I have talked to some other libertarians who actually know what the word "libertarian" means. I think there are quite a few people adopting the title that may be giving it a bad name.
There are quite a few conservatives who call themselves Libertarians but by your examples are not at all.
Libertarians don't believe in ridiculous rules that force people to be patriotic.
The Reason website is a good place to learn what is a Libertarian.
The Koch list several posts ago leads to even greater plutocracy. A return to the Gilded Age.
The Dem list of today leads to a different set of elites and social control.
This is why we need balance. Either extreme leads to a bad situation for a large portion of the population.
Neither party seems to want balance it's all or nothing for them their hate for each other is what is destroying this country.
Wow talk about have a zero understanding of what being a Libertarian is. Good going.
Of all the possible arguments against Libertarians you picked the dumbest one to try to argue against. Civil liberties.
First Libertarians are not against having a government it is necessary. Libertarians do not want to bully anyone. They just don't want to government to bullying its citizens.
Everyone wants "civil liberties." For the religious right, "civil liberties" means the freedom to teach evangelical Christianity and creationism in public schools. For the libertarian Koch Brothers, "civil liberties" means no minimum wage laws, no labor laws, no safety standards, and no environmental laws. All of those things are restrictions on their freedom.
The key point is this: more freedom and liberty for some often means harm or less freedom for others.
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Freedom is not some finite thing that there is only so much to go around. However the freedom to harm others is not part of Libertarian philosophy.
Nonsense. There is only so much free time to go around because there is a lot of work that needs to be done. More freedom for me means less freedom for someone else. Ask Thomas Jefferson's slaves how that worked. More freedom for Jefferson meant less freedom for them.
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Libertarians want everyone to have civil liberties only entity restrained is government.
You clearly want government to control every aspect of life. Why?
I don't know a single person who wants government to control every aspect of life. But we should nonetheless be wary of the advocates of "freedom." Who's "freedom"? Theirs or ours?
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They want these freedoms right up until the minute they need something from their fellow taxpayers. I know one libertarian who is into my pocket for over a million (health care).
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Well, sure it is! The Top Libertarians in the world (Kochs, etc.) fight and win the ability to pollute more and harm others. Period.
They want these freedoms right up until the minute they need something from their fellow taxpayers. I know one libertarian who is into my pocket for over a million (health care).
So true. When it turns personal, what happens to their Libertarian philosophy?
Would like to know what you would call real world solutions. The right has some far fetched ideas of their own. You BOTH let pride and your indignation get in the way of getting the U.S being what it could be.
The following is an excellent start:
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The Koch list several posts ago leads to even greater plutocracy. A return to the Gilded Age.
The Dem list of today leads to a different set of elites and social control.
This is why we need balance. Either extreme leads to a bad situation for a large portion of the population.
Wow talk about have a zero understanding of what being a Libertarian is. Good going.
Of all the possible arguments against Libertarians you picked the dumbest one to try to argue against. Civil liberties.
First Libertarians are not against having a government it is necessary. Libertarians do not want to bully anyone. They just don't want to government to bullying its citizens.
Freedom is not some finite thing that there is only so much to go around. However the freedom to harm others is not part of Libertarian philosophy.
Libertarians want everyone to have civil liberties only entity restrained is government.
You clearly want government to control every aspect of life. Why?
I don't think you're understanding what the OP is trying to say here. It's not that he/she wants the government to control every aspect of our lives but to protect us from those individuals and corporations who wish to deny people their basic rights. They do exist no matter how "non-aggressive" the Libertarian philosophy is. There will always be those individuals who DO wish to deprive people of their rights and companies who DO wish to ruin our environment. Who is supposed to ensure everyone's rights are enforced if not for the government? Who is supposed to regulate businesses in such a way that is fair to everyone if not the government? Who is supposed to administer our social safety nets if not the government?
The Libertarian principle looks really good on paper with minimal government, regulations, etc. But in the real world human nature, being what it is, would dictate a relatively strong government in order to balance the playing field as best as possible to ensure everyone is treated fairly, our environment is protected, and our social safety nets remain solvent.
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The right has some far fetched ideas of their own. You BOTH let pride and your indignation get in the way of getting the U.S being what it could be.
