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In a libertarian society you have exactly as much freedom as you can seize.
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Originally Posted by BornintheSprings
Libertarians are rich anarchists they want just enough state power so they can be protected and free to exploit the proletariat but on the same token have the state be so weak that they can't possibly do anything about all the robber barons they have created.
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Originally Posted by BornintheSprings
In libertarian society you are only as free as your boss allows you to be.
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Originally Posted by BornintheSprings
Its not voluntary if you under threat of starvation or homelessness. Libertarian society benefits the masters people who own the capital and disenfranchises working class individuals. Libertarians would make it so public services like schools roads and everything in between be privatized this creates a massive burden on the poor. Libertarian society will lead to serfs and masters.
Correct. Freedom for the cat means death for the mouse. Freedom for the wealthy business owner class means slavery for everyone else.
We all must beware of the advocates of "freedom." Who's freedom? Theirs or ours?
In a libertarian society you have exactly as much freedom as you can seize.
Freedom isn't something to be seized, unless you count defending yourself as seizing. It's odd that people are painting libertarians as the predators when they're trying to be left alone.
It's the people who want to use state force to control everyone that are the predators here, not the ones saying "live and let live".
Its not voluntary if you under threat of starvation or homelessness. Libertarian society benefits the masters people who own the capital and disenfranchises working class individuals. Libertarians would make it so public services like schools roads and everything in between be privatized this creates a massive burden on the poor. Libertarian society will lead to serfs and masters.
Oh this argument...
"Feed me for simply existing"
"No, but I'll offer you a job"
"Omg I'm being exploited by these greedy capitalists"
No, it is voluntary. If you have a problem with the fact that you need to do something to survive, talk to Mother Nature.
This was the best post of the threat IMO and I totally agree, especially with the blue. It is why I think both systems have adherents who are naive and not well learned on the history of humanity.
People are not basically "good." I am not a religious person but do believe the simple tenet of Christianity in that all people are sinners. We are all just people and capable of both good and bad and we will always seek out the best option that primarily benefits ourselves and/or our families and /or our communities and not other people. As you note, history and life experiences show this to be true and libertarians for the most part ignore history and the human experience.
Did you read any of the responses to that post? It's interesting how people can be looking at the same exact evidence (meaning history, life experience, logic and reason, etc.) and have completely opposite conclusions.
Ah the poor should just starve to death argument how did that work out during the french revolution?
libertarianism is comprised of the NAP and private property (ownership), nowhere is it put forth as a cure for starvation. However, the freedom to help others is always an option in a libertarian society.
Its like playing whack-a-mole where you just keep coming up with talking points and misconceptions to be tapped down.
You made an appeal to nature its not natural for the poor to be taken care of. I provided a counter argument that showed your idea leads to revolution.
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