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Old 10-29-2017, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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W.Va. House passes bill to give pregnant women priority in drug treatment | Recent News | herald-dispatch.com

I think Medicaid is a great safety-net program but it should utilized for physical health issues. I was reading an article about how Medicaid is being used for substance abuse treatment programs.

I was stunned to read that Medicaid pays for substance abuse services. Shouldn't that be a local issue that is handled by law enforcement.

There needs to be a ban on Medicaid money going to expensive drug rehabilitation programs. Medicaid money should be allocated to physical health conditions like people with cancer, heart disease and diabetes.

The Medicaid program was originally established to provide a health care safety-net for people with cancer, heart disease, diabetics so that hospitals would stay solvent, while people got the health care they needed regardless of ability to pay.

The Medicaid program is now being used for expensive rehabilitation programs for people with voluntary drug addictions.

There should be a federal ban on Medicaid money being spent on drug addiction rehabilitation as local law enforcement agencies are best equipped to deal with the issue.

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Old 10-29-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What's the opioid crisis anything BUT a serious physical health issue?

What is left? The War On Drugs is a failure. Just Say No is a failure. Incarceration is a failure. Religion is a failure. Social approbation is a failure.

Addicts cost us all a lot of money, and addiction costs them the most of all. The only approach so far that has had some success in cleaning an addict up for life has been a combination of medical and psychological therapy, and that's not cheap, but it's a lot cheaper in the long run than all the failures have cost us.

So you tell me. What do you want to do with the problem of addiction?

Addiction is only voluntary the first time a person tries the drug. After that, the drug is a physical need as strong as hunger, and hunger is not voluntary. The only thing voluntary in addiction is the will to overcome the addiction, and by itself, is most often not enough to do it.

Addiction brings on cancer, heart disease, diabetes, and actually kills some addicts who are trying to straighten up. Worse, addiction brings some of those diseases to the families of addicts. And a child of an addict can become one too.

If you can figure out some free way to remove this plague from our nation, please inform me. I'll be all for it if it works. But cutting off the money will only put more of them on the streets. And then, they'll all cost us when they are jailed.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:45 PM
 
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W.Va. House passes bill to give pregnant women priority in drug treatment | Recent News | herald-dispatch.com

I think Medicaid is a great safety-net program but it should utilized for physical health issues. I was reading an article about how Medicaid is being used for substance abuse treatment programs.

I was stunned to read that Medicaid pays for substance abuse services. Shouldn't that be a local issue that is handled by law enforcement.

There needs to be a ban on Medicaid money going to expensive drug rehabilitation programs. Medicaid money should be allocated to physical health conditions like people with cancer, heart disease and diabetes.

The Medicaid program was originally established to provide a health care safety-net for people with cancer, heart disease, diabetics so that hospitals would stay solvent, while people got the health care they needed regardless of ability to pay.

The Medicaid program is now being used for expensive rehabilitation programs for people with voluntary drug addictions.

There should be a federal ban on Medicaid money being spent on drug addiction rehabilitation as local law enforcement agencies are best equipped to deal with the issue.
That'd be fine.

But first the FEDs need to crack down on opioids and the pharmaceutical companies behind them.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Austin
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I'm probably in the minority, but I think some people are genetically addicts.

Drugs should be legalized. Opioids should be available to pain sufferers who need them and not restricted because some abuse this pain drug. Addicts should be allowed to live as they want. Unless or until an addict wants rehab. Society shouldn't be paternal and presume they do. Leave them alone unless they break the law.
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Looking over your shoulder
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Madicare / Madicaid premiums will be going UP to cover the costs of Trump’s new program and this war on Opioids
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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OP you are in AZ and this is in WV. Can't a state choose to spend its Medicaid dollars where it best sees fit?
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Old 10-29-2017, 05:56 PM
 
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so i guess drug treatment programs dont deal with physical health issues? sorry my friend, but we need to help the people that are addicted to drugs, legal ones or not.

prevention i the best way to keep people off drugs, but treatment is still a necessary thing. we cannot just leave addicts to fend for themselves, if we do we end up with what we have now, high crime rates, and high homeless rates.

but lets make this personal shall we? suppose it was your sibling that developed a serious drug addiction, and needed help the they or you cant afford. would you just leave them to their own devices? would you just kick your own family out of the house and out of your life? or would you move heaven and earth to try and get them the help they need?
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:12 PM
 
Location: The 719
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W.Va. House passes bill to give pregnant women priority in drug treatment | Recent News | herald-dispatch.com

I think Medicaid is a great safety-net program but it should utilized for physical health issues. I was reading an article about how Medicaid is being used for substance abuse treatment programs.

I was stunned to read that Medicaid pays for substance abuse services. Shouldn't that be a local issue that is handled by law enforcement.

There needs to be a ban on Medicaid money going to expensive drug rehabilitation programs. Medicaid money should be allocated to physical health conditions like people with cancer, heart disease and diabetes.

The Medicaid program was originally established to provide a health care safety-net for people with cancer, heart disease, diabetics so that hospitals would stay solvent, while people got the health care they needed regardless of ability to pay.

The Medicaid program is now being used for expensive rehabilitation programs for people with voluntary drug addictions.

There should be a federal ban on Medicaid money being spent on drug addiction rehabilitation as local law enforcement agencies are best equipped to deal with the issue.
Drug addiction, alcoholism, and the like, any action that is taken in order to try to raise your consciousness by means that are illegal, immoral, or otherwise dangerous to yourself and/or society is a self-induced crisis.

I recommend using self-help, spiritual solutions, or even volunteer work and/or self-sacrifice in order to recover from such maladies.

Medicaid should be used mainly for the destitute elderly.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:33 PM
 
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I'm probably in the minority, but I think some people are genetically addicts.

Drugs should be legalized. Opioids should be available to pain sufferers who need them and not restricted because some abuse this pain drug. Addicts should be allowed to live as they want. Unless or until an addict wants rehab. Society shouldn't be paternal and presume they do. Leave them alone unless they break the law.
And.....so you’re ok with the addicts roaming the streets harassing kids heading to school or the playgrounds....and breaking into cars and houses looking for money to get drugs? I would want govnt rounding up addicts and putting them through forced and required cleanup program. They stay in there until they are clean After a long probation period. It’ll be money well spend.
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Old 10-29-2017, 06:36 PM
 
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so i guess drug treatment programs dont deal with physical health issues? sorry my friend, but we need to help the people that are addicted to drugs, legal ones or not.

prevention i the best way to keep people off drugs, but treatment is still a necessary thing. we cannot just leave addicts to fend for themselves, if we do we end up with what we have now, high crime rates, and high homeless rates.

but lets make this personal shall we? suppose it was your sibling that developed a serious drug addiction, and needed help the they or you cant afford. would you just leave them to their own devices? would you just kick your own family out of the house and out of your life? or would you move heaven and earth to try and get them the help they need?
I would commit them into a government funded force detox program and they stay in it until they are well. No consent needed. If you’re a drug addict, you will be forced to get clean.
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