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Old 11-04-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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Pathetic response.
Thats the point, you don't wait for someone to give you crumbs, there are millions of examples of people succeeding in todays America. Go and do something!
This is the way to go I think. My daughter has a $2400 industrial sewing machine in her living room. She's doing design work for womens scarves and other accessories. She's going to make things and sell them on the internet. Both work outside the home but they're both getting tired of the tread mill. If they pull this off they can make money at home and be moms too. It won't be easy and I'll help all I can if they need it.

 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: So California
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Be realistic. Money is naturally a zero sum game. If everyone tried their absolute hardest, there would still be people in desperate poverty.

I agree, and thats what the safety net is for, not to provide a living for a large percentage of the population.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:19 AM
 
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America is capitalist the means of production are not controlled by the people private property exists.
dont kid yourself
The means of production is controlled/owned by the state via regs, rules,edicts,subsidies and taxes.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money.
Do posts like this actually make right wing internet trolls feel smart?
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:21 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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No we all don't

Your premise is faulty from the get go
Seems you are indeed a Socialist. No?
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Do posts like this actually make right wing internet trolls feel smart?
Let me help you out. You and your type are not in charge. Smart productive people are.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Which year would you say was the cutoff point of real capitalism?
I'm not sure we've ever had it. We used to have a system that utilized masses of slaves. That certainly wasn't capitalism. We saw some industrial revolutions, and that gave a boost to capitalism, making it sustainable. I think that was the ideal time for America in terms of power and physical wealth creation vs other nations, but not general prosperity. That came later, but many industries started collapsing soon after.

Our system is a balancing act, consisting of capitalism and socialism. Things work best when we balance the two responsibly, and fairly. All while ensuring the preservation of basic freedoms and civil liberties that we enjoy as Americans. Most importantly, we can never take any of this for granted. Everyone must make sacrifices for the things they want in life. That includes the willingness to trade our time and tax money for the good of our society and businesses that provide for our superior standard of living. If we should ever decide these things are not worth preserving, that is fine too, but we may degrade into a degenerate society void of much wealth and opportunity/upward mobility.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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We all hate Nazis/Fascists, right?

If anybody think Nazi (National Socialism) or Fascism (another lefty mutation) is bad, socialists would make both the Nazis and Fascists look like saints.

Socialism is responsible for over 100 million murdered in 20th century alone. Please let that sink in for a few moments - 100 million people slaughtered by the socialists with their own hands! They were slaughtered often because: they had a different opinion, they had money or property, they were associated with the people who had money or property.

That doesn't even include people who died because of starvation during peace time, lack of resources etc. caused by socialism. Imagine that - in the modern, post industrial revolution era, an ideology would cause starvation and famine during peace time. How screwed up that is!

Socialism also promotes the two worst human traits: jealousy and violence.

I really don't know what kind of person who would support the evil socialism. Those people must be morally corrupt to the core or the manifest of the evil themselves.
Totally wrong premise. Again, Nazis are far right, not far left. You think that they were socialist because the word was in the name of their party, but it was put there only to attract workers, who were attracted to it at the time. Nazis were never and are not now socialist. Do you think because North Korea calls itself the Democratic People's Republic of Korea that they are democratic? Please read your history and look farther than labels.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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Let me help you out. You and your type are not in charge. Smart productive people are.
So then why do we have to make America great again? Who are the people you're referring to?
 
Old 11-04-2017, 11:27 AM
 
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dont kid yourself
The means of production is controlled/owned by the state via regs, rules,edicts and taxes.
Yes, but at the end, whose interests the state protects first of all?
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