Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: What would be the most effective at curbing America’s gun violence?
More guns in the hands of more people 92 41.44%
Less guns in the hands of less people 130 58.56%
Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:36 PM
 
5,705 posts, read 3,674,713 times
Reputation: 3907

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by whogo View Post
We have actually been quite successful in reducing homicides in the last quarter century.
Obviously, 1700 plus mass murders in 5 years is just so making America great again.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3539717
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,382,061 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by biggunsmallbrains View Post
Yup. I’m coming for yer guns.
Finally an admission.

First step to recovery.

Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Houston
26,979 posts, read 15,902,520 times
Reputation: 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
Wow. I didn't know that. Good catch.

At the same time there is no way to measure crime between countries because of different definitions and and counting measures.

So I guess we'll never know. Case closed.
Not a good catch since assault does not require physical contact in most,if not all,US states either.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:40 PM
 
15,706 posts, read 11,782,559 times
Reputation: 7020
Quote:
Originally Posted by whogo View Post
The real answer is:

More guns in the hands of good people and less guns in the hands of convicted felons.
The Vegas shooter was a convicted felon? Dylan Roof was a convicted felon?

One can be a good person one day, and become a bad person the next. That's a terrible argument.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:41 PM
 
15,706 posts, read 11,782,559 times
Reputation: 7020
Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Recess View Post
Wow. I didn't know that. Good catch.

At the same time there is no way to measure crime between countries because of different definitions and and counting measures.

So I guess we'll never know. Case closed.
We can measure gun violence, since all countries view homicide by gun the same.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Houston
26,979 posts, read 15,902,520 times
Reputation: 11259
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero View Post
The Vegas shooter was a convicted felon? Dylan Roof was a convicted felon?

One can be a good person one day, and become a bad person the next. That's a terrible argument.
One can be a good guy one day and a rapist the next. Mass castrations in order?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,382,061 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by whogo View Post
Not a good catch since assault does not require physical contact in most,if not all,US states either.
Well, we have simple assault/aggravated assault/battery/etc. Then the wording varies by jurisdiction. Then you have to take into account what each prosecutor likes to actually bring charges against. Then you have pleas and cases overturned on appeal that have to do with technicalities...

So I should have never even mentioned the rates because there are too many variables not only worldwide but right here in the U.S.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:47 PM
 
15,706 posts, read 11,782,559 times
Reputation: 7020
Quote:
Originally Posted by whogo View Post
Not a good catch since assault does not require physical contact in most,if not all,US states either.
But crime statistics often include assault and battery together. The difference is simple assault/battery or aggravated. The latter being the only felony.

Statistics don't typically list battery as its own crime statistic that i've seen.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
57,333 posts, read 26,245,816 times
Reputation: 15665
Quote:
Originally Posted by Objective Detective View Post
The answer is neither and the question is preposterous.. The only thing that will 'curb'(silly use of word) it is more responsible gun owners. More responsible gun owners come from a more responsible culture. The culture of America is that of irresponsibility for many reasons but the primary reason for irresponsibility is irresponsibility itself. Irresponsibility creates and propagates more irresponsibility.

The crony capitalist/socialistic(two sides of the same coin) economic system, bad parenting and the media have caused the culture of gun violence to increase.

The roots of responsible people are sown by responsible parents. When people replace this basic necessity and think the government is their parent and role model instead of good responsible people bad things happen.

When the war and welfare culture that hat been happening for centuries is replaced with personal responsibility then all types of violence and poor behavior will diminish. The system is broken and the economic system is a farce. People have failed the test of liberty and freedom all around.
I agree with you mostly, we do have a culture of irresponsibility whether it be guns, obesity, having children, or they way we drive our cars. We always assume someone will bail out bad choices.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-05-2017, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
36,853 posts, read 17,382,061 times
Reputation: 14459
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyero View Post
We can measure gun violence, since all countries view homicide by gun the same.
Homicide is a legal term. So you are going by conviction rates/admissions by jurisdictions. And the definition of homicide varies across those jurisdictions. Plea deals, bad courts are problematic.

Also, access to medical care is a factor. Folks get shot in a less medically-developed country and they are more likely to die.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:58 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top