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Old 11-06-2017, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Gone
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Just a minor point, had the Air Force reported his criminal behavior as they were required to do then he would not have been able to buy any guns legally as he did. The law was in place to keep him from doing so but is useless if government agencies do not do their part.
Now make to squabbling.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:03 PM
 
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So that's where the US has it wrong - the abnormally low incarceration rate?
Do you think there should be a rate limit?

Should we say 10% of our population is the limit and anybody committing a crime after that goes free?
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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A parishioner fought off the attacker after he retrieved his own weapon. And maybe had a person at the church had concealed carried the death toll would have been much lower. So this will have the deep staters scratching their red baboons asses knowing that they won't get any traction in their desire to ban firearms.
Waiting for the left and MSM to vilify atheists...... yeah like that will happen.
The man who shot the attacker lived near the church, next door, if I remember correctly. No word of his being a parishioner.

What do atheists have to do with this? There's been no indication that this was anything other than a domestic dispute. The shooter had been sending threatening messages to his MIL, who attended the church. No politics, no religious axe to grind, just a nutter with a history of abusing women and children.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:25 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Logic of Gun Nuts:

Gun laws don’t work anyway.

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Soo...I guess no laws work? Let’s ditch all of them.

Well, our forefathers did tell the governments(in the law of the land) that they shall not mess with the people's firepower in anyway.

No, laws don't work and that is the perfect example. Our government, doesn't follow law.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:26 PM
 
Location: PSL
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The man who shot the attacker lived near the church, next door, if I remember correctly. No word of his being a parishioner.

What do atheists have to do with this? There's been no indication that this was anything other than a domestic dispute. The shooter had been sending threatening messages to his MIL, who attended the church. No politics, no religious axe to grind, just a nutter with a history of abusing women and children.
Someone's going to be out of a job in the air force for not reporting information that would have barred him from obtaining the firearm he used...

How he didn't sit in the brig for longer than he did for what he did...
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:30 PM
 
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Logic of Gun Nuts:

Gun laws don’t work anyway.

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Soo...I guess no laws work? Let’s ditch all of them.
I guess you haven't seen that gun laws don't work because the Air Force doesn't follow them.
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Someone's going to be out of a job in the air force for not reporting information that would have barred him from obtaining the firearm he used...

How he didn't sit in the brig for longer than he did for what he did...
I think you are right. My housemate just told me it was not reported, and my first thought was, "heads will roll..."
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:23 PM
 
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Just a minor point, had the Air Force reported his criminal behavior as they were required to do then he would not have been able to buy any guns legally as he did. The law was in place to keep him from doing so but is useless if government agencies do not do their part.
Now make to squabbling.
>>> This was pointed to as a loophole but it clearly wasn't. It was the air force not doing its job and not reporting his conviction to the federal database.
Although his being ANTIFA (according to his facebook likes and rantings) probably was also enough of a reason to prevent him from being able to own firearms.
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:25 PM
 
Location: PSL
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I think you are right. My housemate just told me it was not reported, and my first thought was, "heads will roll..."
The laws that we have in place currently would have stopped him from getting it legally.

More is being reported that he was threatening the mother in law...

This was one sick punk...

He did commit a felony lying on the 4473 but had that information been given from the Airforce the NICS background check would have came back DENIED And he'd not been able to have purchased the firearm. Maybe even arrested then and there...
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Old 11-06-2017, 06:27 PM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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So that's where the US has it wrong - the abnormally low incarceration rate?
The problem is that there is no rhyme or reason to sentencing in this country. Non-violent drug offenders frequently receive longer sentences than murderers and rapists. Some sentences are too harsh others too lenient. And I'm curious--since you raised the subject, what do you think would be a reasonable sentence for a grown man who beats an infant child fracturing its' skull?
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