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Old 11-07-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: PSL
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Should I not be able to protect myself, and family from armed intruders in a home invasion scenario? What would I do if I did not have a firearm? How about if I was car jacked? I attended a sentencing of a criminal many years ago in which a friend of mine was the prosecutor. The perpetrator held up a young couple at gun point in their car. He shot the husband, and kidnapped the woman. He raped her multiple times, and was going to then murder her as well, but she was able to miraculously escape to safety. The perp was tried, and convicted. If that couple had access to a gun, the man may still be alive, and the woman maybe unharmed. As they were defenseless the worst type of HELL happened to both of them.
Rely on an adult in the room. It works oh so well when seconds matter, help being minutes away... as well as help taking minutes to assess the situation and form a plan of action...

Rely on the government to solve the problems of society... whats insane... The same government that failed to report to NICS is the same government they want to entrust with health care and college education...
Thats scary...
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Should I not be able to protect myself, and family from armed intruders in a home invasion scenario? What would I do if I did not have a firearm? How about if I was car jacked? I attended a sentencing of a criminal many years ago in which a friend of mine was the prosecutor. The perpetrator held up a young couple at gun point in their car. He shot the husband, and kidnapped the woman. He raped her multiple times, and was going to then murder her as well, but she was able to miraculously escape to safety. The perp was tried, and convicted. If that couple had access to a gun, the man may still be alive, and the woman maybe unharmed. As they were defenseless the worst type of HELL happened to both of them.
No, not according to KenFresno. Ken and Liberals like Ken want to control every aspect of your life yet he doesn't consider that to be tyranny. The 2nd Amendment and Constitutional law are the only things that stand in their way. That's really what all of this is about. It has nothing to do with public safety. Absolute power and the establishment of a socialist aristocracy of which they will have absolute control. California for all intents and purposes is already there because of people like Ken. California is a shining example of what this entire country will be like if Ken were to have his way.

Have you noticed that all he argues with are insults and name calling of those who oppose him? How's that for tolerance and civility they so demand of others? Yet he can't understand why we so vehemently oppose not only him but everything that he stands for.

I've mentioned this many times in many different posts. Gun control is all about political retribution against those who do not subscribe to the Liberal way of thinking. Gov. Cuomo made that quite clear when he boasted after the passage of New York's "Safe Act" that: "People that do not think like him are not welcome in New York". What better way to punish your political enemies than to criminalize their otherwise lawful possessions and activities? That's exactly what the "Safe Act" accomplished all with the stroke of a pen.

Make no mistake about it Ken and those of his ilk do not believe in Constitutional law. They believe that we are a democracy where the majority rules regardless of our individual civil liberties. They believe that only the majority determines which civil liberties we shall be allowed to retain. But Ken better be careful for what he wishes for as the political pendulum swings back and forth and one day the majority will crush him. Ken has no idea of what fascism and tyranny is or understand why we have a Constitution and Bill of Rights to protect all citizens regardless of race, color, religion or creed from tyranny by a majority.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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Well said. Gun control is not the problem, it’s the solution.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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Yes, gun are a problem, and our weak control is a problem "We need Improved Gun Control"... I'm a gun owner, and want to keep my gun!!! but I also know that I have no need within the American System of Society nor "within" the American Landscape of this Nation to need an "Assault Styled Weapon". There just is no logical need for it. !!!
It is not good for hunting nor is it respectful to the Animals being hunted. We don't need to set up Military Defense at our homes, as we have a National Military, a Federal Law Force, A State Law Force, A Country Law Force, and a City Law Force.

Shot Guns can hold 6 shells,
the standard magazine of a semi auto pistol is 6 and can be 9 rounds.
A long gun with a magazine of 6 rounds

There is nothing we need a rapid fire weapons, beyond the scope of these hunting and home protection levels, we simply don't have a base need for it, and certainly we as citizens do not something that can spew out 10's and 100's of rounds a minute.

We simply need to make sure our Political system functions and we have enough controls in place that no man, or men can orchestrate a military styled take over of the nation under some autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise. Therefore, we need to make sure... that No individual President or any high ranking official to institute any level of any kind of Martial Law without Congressional Approval... with votes from Both Parties... and considering the gamesmanship played to force feed a man on our Supreme Court... then we up the vote count necessary to 90 or even 100, or 120... what ever is the number to assure the people of Peace and no usurping our Governance System takes place. and that mandates that members of "both parties must support any choice to engage in any factions of Martial Law, and the Constitution cannot be arbitrarily suspended. "....

These the people can cease with the rhetoric about.. their guns as being a guard against insurrection of our government against its people.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Rely on an adult in the room. It works oh so well when seconds matter, help being minutes away... as well as help taking minutes to assess the situation and form a plan of action...

Rely on the government to solve the problems of society... whats insane... The same government that failed to report to NICS is the same government they want to entrust with health care and college education...
Thats scary...
You're God damn right that's scary. Especially when governments from the local to the federal level are giant cesspools of corruption. Governments are a monopoly accountable to no one. Politicians lie, cheat, steal and prostitute themselves for some crummy little political office. How anyone can place their faith and trust in any elected official is beyond me? But it's all about power and control. As Lord Acton wrote: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:50 PM
 
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Yes, gun are a problem, and our weak control is a problem "We need Improved Gun Control"... I'm a gun owner, and want to keep my gun!!! but I also know that I have no need within the American System of Society nor "within" the American Landscape of this Nation to need an "Assault Styled Weapon". There just is no logical need for it. !!!
It is not good for hunting nor is it respectful to the Animals being hunted. We don't need to set up Military Defense at our homes, as we have a National Military, a Federal Law Force, A State Law Force, A Country Law Force, and a City Law Force.

Shot Guns can hold 6 shells,
the standard magazine of a semi auto pistol is 6 and can be 9 rounds.
A long gun with a magazine of 6 rounds

There is nothing we need a rapid fire weapons, beyond the scope of these hunting and home protection levels, we simply don't have a base need for it, and certainly we as citizens do not something that can spew out 10's and 100's of rounds a minute.

We simply need to make sure our Political system functions and we have enough controls in place that no man, or men can orchestrate a military styled take over of the nation under some autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise. Therefore, we need to make sure... that No individual President or any high ranking official to institute any level of any kind of Martial Law without Congressional Approval... with votes from Both Parties... and considering the gamesmanship played to force feed a man on our Supreme Court... then we up the vote count necessary to 90 or even 100, or 120... what ever is the number to assure the people of Peace and no usurping our Governance System takes place. and that mandates that members of "both parties must support any choice to engage in any factions of Martial Law, and the Constitution cannot be arbitrarily suspended. "....

These the people can cease with the rhetoric about.. their guns as being a guard against insurrection of our government against its people.
There are millions of people who disagree with you.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Yes, gun are a problem, and our weak control is a problem "We need Improved Gun Control"... I'm a gun owner, and want to keep my gun!!! but I also know that I have no need within the American System of Society nor "within" the American Landscape of this Nation to need an "Assault Styled Weapon". There just is no logical need for it. !!!
It is not good for hunting nor is it respectful to the Animals being hunted. We don't need to set up Military Defense at our homes, as we have a National Military, a Federal Law Force, A State Law Force, A Country Law Force, and a City Law Force.

Shot Guns can hold 6 shells,
the standard magazine of a semi auto pistol is 6 and can be 9 rounds.
A long gun with a magazine of 6 rounds

There is nothing we need a rapid fire weapons, beyond the scope of these hunting and home protection levels, we simply don't have a base need for it, and certainly we as citizens do not something that can spew out 10's and 100's of rounds a minute.

We simply need to make sure our Political system functions and we have enough controls in place that no man, or men can orchestrate a military styled take over of the nation under some autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise. Therefore, we need to make sure... that No individual President or any high ranking official to institute any level of any kind of Martial Law without Congressional Approval... with votes from Both Parties... and considering the gamesmanship played to force feed a man on our Supreme Court... then we up the vote count necessary to 90 or even 100, or 120... what ever is the number to assure the people of Peace and no usurping our Governance System takes place. and that mandates that members of "both parties must support any choice to engage in any factions of Martial Law, and the Constitution cannot be arbitrarily suspended. "....

These the people can cease with the rhetoric about.. their guns as being a guard against insurrection of our government against its people.
As long as it's used for any lawful purpose. IT'S NOT UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE WHAT ANOTHER PERSON MAY OR MAY NOT NEED!

As for your second to last paragraph: THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE 2ND AMENDMENT. So we don't have an autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise.
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Yes, gun are a problem, and our weak control is a problem "We need Improved Gun Control"... I'm a gun owner, and want to keep my gun!!! but I also know that I have no need within the American System of Society nor "within" the American Landscape of this Nation to need an "Assault Styled Weapon". There just is no logical need for it. !!!
It is not good for hunting nor is it respectful to the Animals being hunted. We don't need to set up Military Defense at our homes, as we have a National Military, a Federal Law Force, A State Law Force, A Country Law Force, and a City Law Force.

Shot Guns can hold 6 shells,
the standard magazine of a semi auto pistol is 6 and can be 9 rounds.
A long gun with a magazine of 6 rounds

There is nothing we need a rapid fire weapons, beyond the scope of these hunting and home protection levels, we simply don't have a base need for it, and certainly we as citizens do not something that can spew out 10's and 100's of rounds a minute.

We simply need to make sure our Political system functions and we have enough controls in place that no man, or men can orchestrate a military styled take over of the nation under some autocratic or dictatorial agenda and premise. Therefore, we need to make sure... that No individual President or any high ranking official to institute any level of any kind of Martial Law without Congressional Approval... with votes from Both Parties... and considering the gamesmanship played to force feed a man on our Supreme Court... then we up the vote count necessary to 90 or even 100, or 120... what ever is the number to assure the people of Peace and no usurping our Governance System takes place. and that mandates that members of "both parties must support any choice to engage in any factions of Martial Law, and the Constitution cannot be arbitrarily suspended. "....

These the people can cease with the rhetoric about.. their guns as being a guard against insurrection of our government against its people.
You sir, are what we call a FUDD. An AR-15 with STANDARD capacity magazine holds thirty rounds. When multiple armed assailants kick down my front door in order to do harm to me, and my family, I am glad I have one. It may not even the odds, but it is better than a six round revolver. The AR-15 is also an excellent target, and HUNTING rifle. Many use them for hunting all kinds of game from varmints to deer. The AR-15 is modular, and uppers in various calibers, that are great for hunting can be had.

Rapid fire weapons? Do you mean semi auto firearms that have been around for over 100 years?
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Old 11-07-2017, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Well said. Gun control is not the problem, it’s the solution.
Gun control is people control. Only those with the guns will be doing the controlling. The day the government surrenders all of their weapons is the day I'll surrender mine. After all why would they need them if nobody else were allowed to have them? I can see why you have "smallbrains" as part of your moniker.
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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You sir, are what we call a FUDD. An AR-15 with STANDARD capacity magazine holds thirty rounds. When multiple armed assailants kick down my front door in order to do harm to me, and my family, I am glad I have one. It may not even the odds, but it is better than a six round revolver. The AR-15 is also an excellent target, and HUNTING rifle. Many use them for hunting all kinds of game from varmints to deer. The AR-15 is modular, and uppers in various calibers, that are great for hunting can be had.

Rapid fire weapons? Do you mean semi auto firearms that have been around for over 100 years?
Your chances of dying from arterial sclerosis are far more likely that someone kicking down your door while you sit in the dark with your AR15. In fact your chances of dying from any number of things - like a car wreck - are far, far higher yet we keep hearing about how your military knock-off weapon is needed to protect your from some imaginary BLM supporter, local gang member or UN Solider.

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