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Old 11-10-2017, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Wrong question. Right question: Why shouldn’t poor people have better school districts? After all, if you’re rich you can afford to be stupid.
Property tax-base poor districts should just raise property taxes if they want better schools.

The rents will go up with the property tax increases. But why should the rich have their taxes diverted to poor districts. If poor areas want more money in the classroom, raise property taxes.

States and the Federal government already give lots of free educational special welfare to those districts, but
the majority of poor areas have very high birth rates.

Why should upper-middle class areas where the typical household has one child have their hard-earned money sent to poor districts with parents just using the schools as free-child care.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:25 PM
 
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So, your philosophy is that the rich don't deserve to live in bigger houses? Don't deserve to drive nicer cars? Don't deserve to take more luxurious vacations? Don't deserve more attractive romantic partners? Don't deserve more scenic views from their living room window?

What incentive is there to make money, then?
Bizarre and sad.

We are talking PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS. Has nothing to do with private money being spent on houses or whatever.

In civilized societies we like to think that your parents bank account doesn't entirely determine your fate in life.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:25 PM
 
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Wrong question. Right question: Why shouldn’t poor people have better school districts? After all, if you’re rich you can afford to be stupid.
boy don't we have some fine examples of that right now -- lol.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Sadly, the vast majority of "the poor" will remain poor no matter how much we throw at teacher's unions. When single parent families embrace violence, refuse to even try to work, when students refuse to study and attack those few who do want to make something of themselves, they will remain losers. Let the people that contribute the most see something back for their investment, and put the educational focus on those that are willing to attend school and apply themselves.
As a former teacher, I say no. I saw too many poor kids who wanted to learn but were held back because their parents couldn't afford such things as shoes for the kids or food, let alone paper and pencils, computers, and books.

These kids were at a real disadvantage. They didn't have books in their homes, their parents weren't very involved with school --so they didn't stand a chance. It was sad. They were left behind and it was not their fault. But there is no convincing people who just want to gloat about their wealth and not really deal with a difficult situation facing Americans. Maybe this isn't a serious thread--I doubt many really are this cruel and uncaring about our children.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Bizarre and sad.

We are talking PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS. Has nothing to do with private money being spent on houses or whatever.

In civilized societies we like to think that your parents bank account doesn't entirely determine your fate in life.




How Un-American!! Best change your ways or else end up in the gulag!


I anticpate you being called a Communist very soon lol
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:31 PM
 
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Very philosophical but we are speaking to school districts, are you proposing everyone for themselves.
That's how the economy works. Every man for himself, and if you end up in the winners' bracket, you get higher quality everything. That's why there is both Wal*Mart and Neiman Marcus.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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In civilized societies we like to think that your parents bank account doesn't entirely determine your fate in life.
Another strawman argument. No one said anything about determining entire fate.
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:38 PM
 
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Property tax-base poor districts should just raise property taxes if they want better schools.
This ^
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Old 11-10-2017, 08:39 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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Very philosophical but we are speaking to school districts, are you proposing everyone for themselves. Who exactly is the oppressed?
If people wish to educate their children, then they should pay for it. Or do it themselves. Or teach their children how to teach themselves by reading and researching. It is not anyone's responsibility or duty to educate the children of another against their will. That is involuntary servitude.

We spend more money on education than almost all other countries, and we still produce the least educated among the higher spending nations. School districts should be funded by parents of students that go there. Any funding that comes from others is simply theft.

As to oppression. When any arbitrary "equal" outcome is imposed upon everyone, it can only exist through widespread oppression, aggression, and the destruction of human freedom. There are no noble ends that can be achieved by immoral means.

Besides, who needs an education, when our nation is nothing more than a plantation for human chattel to perpetually pay interest on fictional debt to a omnipotent money cartel? Just pay the counterfeiters for their fictional service and create more "citizens" to continue the perpetual servitude to the money-changers and shylocks. "Education" in this nation just makes us more efficient and obedient servants/subjects/"citizens" of the Banking Families' Plantation.

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Old 11-10-2017, 08:47 PM
 
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Lol. Albert Einstein didn't grow up in a rich household. Neither did John von Neumann. Imagine if they were cut off from education because they were deemed to be from an inferior class. It is so ironic people from the boonies of the the US will literally fight for their own destruction.
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