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Old 12-02-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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We've talked about this. GOP couldn't come up with a healthcare plan that didn't devastate coverage for millions (because they have no good ideas on it after 8 years of complaining), so they couldn't shove their plans through. Which is pathetic; this should have been easy since cons had a better part of a decade to prepare and control of the government.

So the obvious strategy is to sabotage Obamacare to the point of submission, where the crappy GOP alternatives can finally be shoved through.

That process just shifted to another gear with the tax reform that will become law. With individual mandate gone, a lot of healthy people will exit the markets and sick will stay. Premiums have been going up, but they will skyrocket now and many will lose coverage. This will ensure market collapse, as designed.

So conservatives, congratulations - your Obamacare repeal is assured now! I know you are happy. In a year or so, your healthcare-limiting proposals will become law.

Strap me in and let's go! I am ready to go back to the days where tens of millions have no health Insurance, where you can skip healthcare if you lose your job, where insurance companies will drop you if you need care the most, where health insurance costs are a leading cause of personal bankruptcy. And continued premium rises anyway (because let's be honest, those were always going up even before O-Care). Looking forward to it!
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Boston
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if people want health insurance they can go buy it, nobody stopping them and plenty are selling it.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:17 AM
 
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if people want health insurance they can go buy it, nobody stopping them and plenty are selling it.
Sure if they want to not eat and live on the street as an alternative.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:18 AM
 
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This won’t get rid of Obamacare. The only thing they will accomplish by this is raising premiums. Brilliant move.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Sure if they want to not eat and live on the street as an alternative.
they need to work harder, maybe get a second job. Laziness is no excuse.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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if people want health insurance they can go buy it, nobody stopping them and plenty are selling it.
I look forward to hearing the propaganda as well :-)

If you can't get health insurance, it's YOUR FAULT for getting cancer and then getting downsized at work!

Health Care is not a right!

We need to preserve the FREEDOM not to choose to have health insurance!

It is tyrannical to force me to be able to access good medical care if I get sick!

Only in America do we consider it a point of pride and heritage to have sub-standard health coverage.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Its great to see Obama's legacy removed from history.
Tax reform is indeed a double victory.
Winning is everything.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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they need to work harder, maybe get a second job. Laziness is no excuse.
Your reply is lazy.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Boston
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I worked for what I have, try it, you can too!
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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What is going to happen? Probably very little. People who bought individual policies did so mostly because they need them or want the financial peace of mind that having it brings. The mandate was more of a farce than anything with weak penalties that were easily avoided. So I am pretty certain that people are going to continue to buy their policies and collect their government subsidies for doing so. In other words, the 380 billion that the GOP figures it saves by letting people go without will never be realized and the tax package will put an even larger dent in the debt picture than it would otherwise.
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