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really? high profile mass shooting in vegas, how many guns were in the crowd? and how many were hand guns? and how many of those hand guns would reach out to 600 yards or more? and where were the guns on the side of good at sandy hook? columbine? or most any of the other shootings? even in the texas shooting there were no guns in the church crowd.
so again tell me where all the good guys with guns were at these shootings?
Sandy Hook doesn't count, it was an elementary school. There were several guns among the parishioners of the Texas church. At least a half dozen. But you will never learn the names. And, yes, in Las Vegas even the police were outgunned but they all had them, as did dozens of the people shot. The shooter had chosen his high ground very well. Only makes my point. Guns are no effective DEFENSE. A shooter with superior firepower, a superior vantage or concealment, the advantage of surprise. The miracle is that it doesn't happen more often. Oh wait... it is starting to happen more often. Well armed, well trained Law Enforcement Officers are ambushed you know. Their guns did them how much good? We have tried it the Dodge City way. That isn't working. I say we try it another way. A no guns way. I don't need to actually get shot myself (although I have been on the wrong end of a gun growing up in a very bad neighborhood) or lose a loved one. Why is it some only come around to my way of thinking after they have life changing injuries from a mass shooting?
Sandy Hook doesn't count, it was an elementary school. There were several guns among the parishioners of the Texas church. At least a half dozen. But you will never learn the names. And, yes, in Las Vegas even the police were outgunned but they all had them, as did dozens of the people shot. The shooter had chosen his high ground very well. Only makes my point. Guns are no effective DEFENSE. A shooter with superior firepower, a superior vantage or concealment, the advantage of surprise. The miracle is that it doesn't happen more often. Oh wait... it is starting to happen more often. Well armed, well trained Law Enforcement Officers are ambushed you know. Their guns did them how much good? We have tried it the Dodge City way. That isn't working. I say we try it another way. A no guns way. I don't need to actually get shot myself (although I have been on the wrong end of a gun growing up in a very bad neighborhood) or lose a loved one. Why is it some only come around to my way of thinking after they have life changing injuries from a mass shooting?
Sandy Hook doesn't count, it was an elementary school. There were several guns among the parishioners of the Texas church. At least a half dozen. But you will never learn the names. And, yes, in Las Vegas even the police were outgunned but they all had them, as did dozens of the people shot. The shooter had chosen his high ground very well. Only makes my point. Guns are no effective DEFENSE. A shooter with superior firepower, a superior vantage or concealment, the advantage of surprise. The miracle is that it doesn't happen more often. Oh wait... it is starting to happen more often. Well armed, well trained Law Enforcement Officers are ambushed you know. Their guns did them how much good? We have tried it the Dodge City way. That isn't working. I say we try it another way. A no guns way. I don't need to actually get shot myself (although I have been on the wrong end of a gun growing up in a very bad neighborhood) or lose a loved one. Why is it some only come around to my way of thinking after they have life changing injuries from a mass shooting?
If someone gets the jump on you, there is little you can do but make yourself skinny quick.
A crossbow and a nice broadhead, will make it deadly silent. A rifle can reach out and touch you from 1/2 a mile. If someone is so PO'ed at you and they want you dead, there is a good chance you will die.
Sandy Hook doesn't count, it was an elementary school. There were several guns among the parishioners of the Texas church. At least a half dozen. But you will never learn the names. And, yes, in Las Vegas even the police were outgunned but they all had them, as did dozens of the people shot. The shooter had chosen his high ground very well. Only makes my point. Guns are no effective DEFENSE. A shooter with superior firepower, a superior vantage or concealment, the advantage of surprise. The miracle is that it doesn't happen more often. Oh wait... it is starting to happen more often. Well armed, well trained Law Enforcement Officers are ambushed you know. Their guns did them how much good? We have tried it the Dodge City way. That isn't working. I say we try it another way. A no guns way. I don't need to actually get shot myself (although I have been on the wrong end of a gun growing up in a very bad neighborhood) or lose a loved one. Why is it some only come around to my way of thinking after they have life changing injuries from a mass shooting?
You realize you can't "un-invent" firearms, correct? You further realize that there is NO WAY to ever get all of the guns that are out there under private ownership under state control, right?
TRANSLATION: I support government having the power to decide when and where its subjects can own and carry a gun. Therefore, I oppose the 2nd amendment to the core.
try again amigo, i fully support the second amendment, and had you bothered to read any of my posts on the subject you would know this. there are however places that civilians should not be in possession of firearms. the court room for instance is an emotionally charged place, so imagine what can, and does in fact, happen when emotions are running extremely high and those people have guns that they are willing to use on defendants who might be acquitted of charges by a jury. or private property owners who dont want guns on their premises, business owners or not,
try again amigo, i fully support the second amendment, and had you bothered to read any of my posts on the subject you would know this. there are however places that civilians should not be in possession of firearms. the court room for instance is an emotionally charged place, so imagine what can, and does in fact, happen when emotions are running extremely high and those people have guns that they are willing to use on defendants who might be acquitted of charges by a jury. or private property owners who dont want guns on their premises, business owners or not,
Not to mention a criminal facing life in prison; what would they have to loos by getting a hold of a gun and killing as many as they can to get away.
I also and a very firm believer in the 2nd amendment; but do not think that the court room is a good place for a firearm.
Sandy Hook doesn't count, it was an elementary school. There were several guns among the parishioners of the Texas church. At least a half dozen. But you will never learn the names. And, yes, in Las Vegas even the police were outgunned but they all had them, as did dozens of the people shot. The shooter had chosen his high ground very well. Only makes my point. Guns are no effective DEFENSE.
There has been a solution available to us for years now. Centuries, in fact.
If all laws restricting gun ownership and carry were repealed, most people still wouldn't bother to carry a gun. But a few would. And some guy planning to mug an old lady, or assault someone at an ATM - or even shoot up a church in Texas or a schoolyard in Connecticut - wouldn't know if someone in the crowd nearby was carrying in a pocket or purse. But he could be fairly sure that a one or two people were.
And some criminals would decide not to commit their crime in the first place because of that. Presto - a reduction in crime. And without a shot being fired.
And when a few truly insane ones go ahead and commit the crime anyway, let's just say they would be quickly distracted before they can do much of what they want. And for many, their recidivism rate goes down suddenly.
A good solution. Not perfect - it will never be perfect in a world of imperfect people. But it would produce far better and safer results than anything the so-called "gun control" advocate have ever offered.
Wrong. In all the recent high profile mass shootings there were a few to several people with guns on the defensive side and they were mowed down with all the rest. In the ONE hailed situation in Texas it cannot be fairly said that the 'good guy with a gun' was acting defensively. He was off site of the actual shooting, and thus in a position to use his gun OFFENSIVELY. The shooter was wearing tactical body armor and ultimately took his own life. If people really want to protect themselves they will follow the example of a growing number of shooters and wear Kevlar to work, or church, or play. THAT is how you protect yourself from gun violence in 2017. Carrying a gun makes sense only if you intend to preemptively shoot someone, preferably someone unarmed, with it.
Wrong, as usual for ignorant anti gun nuts. Of course your liberal media doesn't report on anything that goes against their bias, so your "high profile" shootings are only those that in their twisted view benefit their anti gun agenda.
Disingenuous title at best, if not and outright attempt to deceive. It's only the WA state senate,not US Senate, and considering how liberal and anti gun most WA senators are it's hardly out of character for them. The only reason they haven't pushed through Chicago style "reasonable gun control" is due to the WA state constitution.
Article I, Section 24 of the Washington State Constitution: “The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.”
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