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Old 12-04-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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These old folks in politics are starting to sound like "Archie Bunker". Time for them to hit the retirement community.
He sure does. I'll tell you - that quote sure rubbed me the wrong way.
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Do you have an example for that anecdote. There are less than 5000 families that are impacted by the estate tax in some degree, less than .2% of tax filings. Its a tax, they aren't seizing their property because they have over $5M. The average tax is around 17% so your doomsday scenario is hyperbole.
Yeah, i don't the GOP did this to help the children of paving contractors. This primarily helps their donors, like the Kochs and the Mercers.
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Yeah, i don't the GOP did this to help the children of paving contractors. This primarily helps their donors, like the Kochs and the Mercers.
and the Trumps, he stands to gain around $1B
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Old 12-04-2017, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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and the Trumps, he stands to gain around $1B
Great point! Here are some MOC'S who will also benefit.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...ress_by_wealth
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:52 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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So a paving contractor's children should shut the business down to pay the taxes? We're listening.
Im for forced gains taking at death and no estate tax. That being said. His widow has the exemption also and no tax is due until she takes a dirt nap.
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Old 12-05-2017, 05:50 AM
 
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"Booze, women and movies"?


Rather sounds like his remarks are directed towards the male-half of the population.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:07 AM
 
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And they resonated very poorly with people all over America

Politics 201, understand the big picture
"they" lol, that was the other point....it's just Grassley that said it but within a few posts it was the entire GOP.

Don't get me wrong, the right wing also likes to take one thing said by one democrat somewhere and run with it like the entire party said it.

In short, your politics 201 class would named "Political Smear Tactics and How to Frame Your Opposition".

The left are all deadbeats, druggies, welfare....the right are all racist fat cats....the usual divisive rhetoric but nothing will ever change.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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If I wanted to take his remarks one step further, IMO, he is correct.

All of us here on POC will quickly say that our voting age population does not pay enough attention to the congress. And that is the start of most of the nation's problems.

One half of us who were eligible to vote did not. Movies, booze and women? IDK. But i do know all of us need civics lessons.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:34 AM
 
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If I wanted to take his remarks one step further, IMO, he is correct.
I suppose it depends on what you think he meant. There are a few ways to interpret his remarks.


One way is somewhat ironic

Where he's basically telling a bunch of white rural american farmers (who inherited their land from their fathers, and their fathers, who were given the land for free from the U.S. Government) .... telling them that the reason the "general masses" (Who typically do not inherit farms) are not the inheritors of large estates is because "their type" (presumably their forebears) blew everything on booze, women and movies.


It's a convoluted, insane thing when I explain it like this, but that's the dog whistle he's sounding to his base. "We are better people than them."
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