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Old 12-06-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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From the Washington Post Article...

Phillips said he doesn’t create wedding cakes for same-sex couples because it would violate his religious beliefs.
Since God says homosexuals are an abomination, why would he sell anything to gays and, instead, order them out of his bakery? But does God instruct how His believers should mistreat others who are an abomination to Him? I don't think so.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:37 AM
 
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You've never addressed the fact that Constitutional Rights supercede state/local law. Same reason DC lost DC v. Heller.
You're literally a broken record.

Help, IC is broken. Reset needed.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:40 AM
 
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Does he offer off the rack wedding cakes? No. He stated that he would make them BIRTHDAY cakes or SHOWER cakes or sell them cookies or brownies, nothing about wedding cakes at all. Did he lie in the original court documents?

Then there is the fact that the same baker refused to sell cupcakes to a lesbian couple for their commitment ceremony. Not a wedding cake, not for a "wedding". But he did offer to make a cake for a dog wedding.
If those cupcakes were on the shelf it is discrimination of course. Otherwise he is being consistent. A commitment ceremony is like a wedding.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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But it is a major case.

What stops a hairdresser from making the same argument, a chef at a restaurant , a make up artist , a home decorator ?
Or a Muslim baker from making a wedding cake for a gay couple. Nothing should be stopping them other than a lack of will to go to the trouble and expense of filing a lawsuit.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:42 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You're literally a broken record.
So... You have no answer. Thought so.

Once again, everyone read the Constitution's Supremacy Clause:

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

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Old 12-06-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:43 AM
 
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And discrimination apparently.

No one was asking the baker to engage in gay sex, just to make a cake.
Exactly. What's next? Refusing to bake a cake for a black couple because you don't like black people? Ridiculous.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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You do not want a hairdresser who does not want to do your hair for what ever reason working on you! They could make you look bad and nothing you can do about it and you always remember your bad hair wedding day.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:46 AM
 
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The US Constitution. Read it.

This is a case of the baker v. a Colorado state agency which enforced a state law and in doing so has violated the baker's Constitutional Rights. Slam dunk for the baker.
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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I think there's a difference between saying he won't bake a cake for gay people, and saying he won't bake a cake for a gay wedding. One is personal discrimination based on sexual orientation, and the other is event selection. As a black woman, I would definitely not bake a cake for a white supremacist event, but if some dude walked into my bakery with a bunch of white supremacist tattoos and asked for a cupcake, I'd still serve him.

I don't agree with this baker, but I think he was within his right to do what he did, as long as he would still serve gays outside of that context.
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