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Old 12-13-2017, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Gone
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has Hillary announced yet for 2020, or will 79 year old Joe (Kissy Kissy) Biden run?
You might want to focus more on next years election, a whole bunch of seats are up for grabs, you will not win them all.
Now that said, who is the GOP going to run, it sure won't be trump, and forget Pence, so back to the other dozen hopefuls?
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:39 AM
 
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Trump wasn't going to get any cooperation from the Republicans anyway.

There is still plenty of time to primary them and put in Trump supporters.

Party no longer matters. Neither of the two parties wants to control immigration or put America first.

Their (((major financial supporters))) have made sure of that.
Immigration and demographic change is the defining issue for me in why I voted for trump. The saying -demographics is destiny- is pretty much right on as it pertains to politics. If we continue with our present immigration numbers the republican party or any right wing party is dead and America will become more and more a one party democrat state like California

This year has been terrible for the republicans in the senate and the house, very little was accomplished this year and last night they made it alot worse but if Trump focuses on infrastructure economic nationalism, America first trade policies,job outsourcing, immigration reform they will win in 2018

The feeling i have is the next betrayal and stab in the back will be amnesty.

Basically the majority of the Republican party are cowards for the most part
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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There is still plenty of time to primary them and put in Trump supporters.
You didn't catch on last night? Bannon's powers as kingmaker crumbled. He could convince the GOP primary voters to back the extreme candidate, but in doing so he lost the GOP moderates and brought out the Democratic voters. His machinations lost a GOP senate seat. In Alabama.

By all means, primary some more moderate Republicans.

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Their (((major financial supporters))) have made sure of that.
Cute bit of antisemitism there, your colors are showing.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The mainstream republicans tonight basically showed with all the write in votes and anti moore campaigning ( not to mention anti mo brooks by mcconnell and establishment), they would rather a democrat wins an election to senate than mainstream Republicans lose power.

We gave you the greatest Republican victory in 100 years and what do we have to show for it? A year of cowardice and doing absolutely nothing outside of the Presidents victories, now thanks to your treachery we have another vote for the democrats in the senate and alot more power for the Dems. Two more seats for dems will be enough to block any Conservative court nominee

A Republican senate with power to confirm nominees with 51 votes in the senate just got alot harder, and it wouldnt surprise me if these mainstream republican idiots screw up 2018.

Well done you mainstream Republican pieces of ****, whats the excuse going to be in 2018 for your failures? 2016 was a once in a lifetime victory.
Shrug. I agree that this has been a singularly inept Congress, but trumpist Rs have what is known as a basic constitutional problem - they ain't got the votes for a far-right agenda.

And your complaint goes both ways, you know - there are probably quite a few mainstream Rs blaming their lack of Congressional effectiveness on ideological purists like you.

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Old 12-13-2017, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Alabama Republicans that stayed home would rather have a candidate that likes killing babies than one who is accused of dating girls much younger than he (40 years ago).

Make no mistake, Republicans, you just endorsed and validated this smear tactic, and the Dem's, having been successful, will pull it again and again. No evidence needed. Accusations are all that are needed.

Sad.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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The mainstream republicans tonight basically showed with all the write in votes and anti moore campaigning ( not to mention anti mo brooks by mcconnell and establishment), they would rather a democrat wins an election to senate than mainstream Republicans lose power.

We gave you the greatest Republican victory in 100 years and what do we have to show for it? A year of cowardice and doing absolutely nothing outside of the Presidents victories, now thanks to your treachery we have another vote for the democrats in the senate and alot more power for the Dems. Two more seats for dems will be enough to block any Conservative court nominee

A Republican senate with power to confirm nominees with 51 votes in the senate just got alot harder, and it wouldnt surprise me if these mainstream republican idiots screw up 2018.

Well done you mainstream Republican pieces of ****, whats the excuse going to be in 2018 for your failures? 2016 was a once in a lifetime victory.
As the famous quote says, common sense ain’t so common.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:49 AM
 
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Shrug. I agree that this has been a singularly inept Congress, but trumpist Rs have what is known as a basic constitutional problem - they ain't got the votes for a far-right agenda.

And your complaint goes both ways, you know - there are probably quite a few mainstream Rs blaming their lack of Congressional effectiveness on ideological purists like you.
The republicans have been inept long before there was ever a nationalist/populist movement and Trump/Bannon etc.

They have done nothing about the immigration invasion since the so called "conservative revolution" , they gave us two wretched candidates like mccain and rommney and 8 years of obama and would have given us 12 years of dem presidents if they had their way and nominated someone like Jeb Bush.

For the life of me I cant really list many Republican accomplishments since the conservative revolution, Government certainly isnt any smaller, it has actually exploded since the 1980s, the welfare state is actually larger, entitlements have grown enormously,we have witnessed some of the greatest demographic changes in American history since the 1980s through immigration,etc

Other than getting elected and the fact that many repubs like mcconnell has spent his entire adult life in the senate in some form or another, I cant really list many republican accomplishments at all.
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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The republicans have been inept long before there was ever a nationalist/populist movement and Trump/Bannon etc.

They have done nothing about the immigration invasion since the so called "conservative revolution" , they gave us two wretched candidates like mccain and rommney and 8 years of obama and would have given us 12 years of dem presidents if they had their way and nominated someone like Jeb Bush.
I wouldn't characterize it the way you do, but it's true that mainstream Rs are not nearly as anti-immigrant (whether legal or illegal) as many Trump voters are.

Your real problem here is that you think you are in the majority opinion on this issue. You're not. The reason why some/many congressional Rs are not on board with your agenda is because the americans who elected them are not on board with your agenda.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:02 PM
 
Location: My House
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I will give you that they are mainstream republicans who basically made sure democrat won a much needed senate seat, rino is probably a term that needs to be retired, so many republicans are cowards that the whole party is becoming a joke.

The trump voters are closer to the right wing nationalist/populist movement you see in Europe and around the world, america first trade policies, a focus on limiting immigration, rebuilding our nations infrastructure,ending outsourcing,anti sanctuary city, terrorism and multiculturalism, border security.

There is no such thing as a "tea party evangelical" that is a powerful presence on the right that I know of, most trump voters are just right wingers and Reagan democrats.

Are you a democrat that just loves classical mainstream republicans like mitt romney and mccain that lose and lose and gave us 8 years of Obama ?

It weird how many Democrats now love "mainstream republicans" who dont approve of protecting the border,America first trade policies,want amnesty and massive demographic change through immigration ,etc. Basically any repubs who hate trump

The Dems didnt love '"mainstream republicans" like romney,mccain etc when Obama was running against them, or a mainstream repub like w. bush?
I'm not a Democrat. I'm unaffiliated.

That said, I do love mainstream Republicans sometimes. I love mainstream Democrats sometimes. I pretty much prefer moderates because they come closer to being able to give all segments of the population SOMETHING they'd like.

When we swing too far in either direction, we run the risk of REALLY alienating one group or another.

In your example, you said that nationalists/populists want certain things.... well, I want some of those. I want common sense immigration. I want to limit outsourcing and H1Bs back to critical need only, I would like secure borders, too.

What I don't like is the idea that you can end terrorism by being an island unto yourself. We see way too many people killed every year here by white dudes with guns than we do brown ones with guns OR bombs OR airplanes flown into buildings. The "terrorist boogeyman" is a thing. That's what terrorists do. They make people worry that they MIGHT strike in order to get what they want. And, falling for that isn't a good idea.

I don't want a wall... we don't need it. I'd prefer more border agents and fences in places that are hard to patrol, coupled with a very clear path to immigration and a procedure to follow for people who want to be here so they can do it legally if they meet qualifications.

I think we should generally put our country first... every other country in the world does it. But, I'm not a fan of isolationism. We also need allies.

So, in short, I want some of the stuff you want. Just not all of it.

Would you rather meet people in the middle and try to create a country where a good portion of the population thinks things are running well? Or, is the "I will force my will onto everyone" stance more to your liking?

See, I have indeed voted for Rs. I voted for both Bushes and Dole, as a matter of fact. I did not vote for McCain, but he seems to have anger issues and he chose a dingbat for his running mate, so Obama instantly became the sane choice in that election.

With the Romney/Obama election cycle, I really would not have minded if Romney won. I voted Obama because I like him well enough (he's not perfect... no politician is). But, had Romney won, I would've been okay with him, too. I cannot tell you how much I wish he had run again in 2016.

Trump? No way in hell. He's not fit for office. And, it's not some partisan leaning that makes me think that. It is Trump himself.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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Alabama Republicans that stayed home would rather have a candidate that likes killing babies than one who is accused of dating girls much younger than he (40 years ago).

Make no mistake, Republicans, you just endorsed and validated this smear tactic, and the Dem's, having been successful, will pull it again and again. No evidence needed. Accusations are all that are needed.

Sad.

Cry more, cupcake. Stop being a snowflake and deal with it.
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