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Old 12-29-2017, 08:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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"The Constitutional Patriots" repeated a lot of untruths, over and over, and Trump parroted the untruths. We don't like it because it's untrue. It does hurt that people in our society are so engaged in conspiracy theories and falsehoods that they think repetition is validation. Repetition is repetition, nothing more.

You think his tweet was untrue? How so?
Are your sources keeping you in the dark again, on purpose?
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:11 AM
 
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If the American's communications are with foreign entities who are suspected of criminal activity, then the collection of those communications is incidental with a legitimate investigation and is Constitutional.


I believe the 4th Amendment does not specify only citizens are protected by the Amendment. People are.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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Old 12-29-2017, 08:24 AM
 
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This Dossier, produced and fabricated in collusion with the FBI(McCabe's back up plan) and the DNC(totally controlled by Hillary herself) Paid millions, using Taxpayer funds, as the entire case to pull FISA unmasking on Americans(over 30,000)
Pure fantasy on your part.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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Your kidding, right?

A spread sheet of all Trump campaign team communications, exists. Created by the NSA for Susan Rice under the direction of Obama himself.


https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rth-amendment/

Report: Obama Lied and Obama Spied - Fox Nation




The admitted violations undercut one of the primary defenses that the intelligence community and Obama officials have used in recent weeks to justify their snooping into incidental NSA intercepts about Americans.
Circa has reported that there was a three-fold increase in NSA data searches about Americans and a rise in the unmasking of U.S. person’s identities in intelligence reports after Obama loosened the privacy rules in 2011.
Officials like former National Security Adviser Susan Rice have argued their activities were legal under the so-called minimization rule changes Obama made, and that the intelligence agencies were strictly monitored to avoid abuses.
The intelligence court and the NSA’s own internal watchdog found that not to be true.
No, dear. A spreadsheet of Trump campaign communications with foreign entities who were being investigated for potential criminal activity exists. Not ALL campaign team communications.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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Pure fantasy on your part.

Peter Strzok & Lisa Page don't think it was a fantasy, now do they.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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You think his tweet was untrue? How so?
Are your sources keeping you in the dark again, on purpose?
I think many of Trump's tweets and statements are untrue. I know he has back-tracked numerous times, claiming that, "Well, somebody told me..." and has ignored other falsehoods.

Your sources spin outlandish conspiracy theories based on...nothing. No evidence, no proof, no facts. And because you want to believe, you buy them wholesale. That's not illumination, that digging yourself deeper and deeper into the ground.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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I believe the 4th Amendment does not specify only citizens are protected by the Amendment. People are.


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
LMAO. You can't argue that Constitutional protections apply to all people when it suits your argument, and that Constitutional protections apply only to citizens when it suits your argument. When you do so, your arguments are built on quicksand.

Again, foreign entities were wiretapped because they were suspected of criminal activity. Some of those wiretapped conversations were with American citizens, some of whom worked on Trump's campaign. The collection of Americans conversing with suspected criminal foreign entities was incidental.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Peter Strzok & Lisa Page don't think it was a fantasy, now do they.
I think they probably do.

And I think your attempt to implicate them is part of your affinity for conspiracy theories that are based on your fantasies and not on facts.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:37 AM
 
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No, dear. A spreadsheet of Trump campaign communications with foreign entities who were being investigated for potential criminal activity exists. Not ALL campaign team communications.

Sorry to burst your bubble.
American to American communications almost exclusively were logged and contained in the spread sheet
First she denied it over and over... Then the truth came out and she fessed up and said it was all legal, when NSA watchdogs withing the agency said it wasn't.


“The lawyers and counsel at the NSA surely would be talking to the lawyers and members of counsel at CIA, or at the National Security Council or at the Director of National Intelligence or at the FBI,” he said. “It’s unbelievable of the level and degree of the administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team and his transition team. This is really, really serious stuff.”
Michael Doran, former NSC senior director, told The DCNF Monday that “somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.” This “was a stream of information that was supposed to be hermetically sealed from politics and the Obama administration found a way to blow a hole in that wall,” he said.

Fox News and Bloomberg News, citing multiple sources reported that Rice had requested and received the intelligence information that was produced in a highly organized operation. The names of Trump aides were given to officials at the National Security Council (NSC), the Department of Defense, James Clapper, President Obama’s Director of National Intelligence, and John Brennan, Obama’s CIA Director to search for all communications they have had.
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Old 12-29-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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I think many of Trump's tweets and statements are untrue. I know he has back-tracked numerous times, claiming that, "Well, somebody told me..." and has ignored other falsehoods.

Your sources spin outlandish conspiracy theories based on...nothing. No evidence, no proof, no facts. And because you want to believe, you buy them wholesale. That's not illumination, that digging yourself deeper and deeper into the ground.

That isn't what I asked.

I asked if you think his tweet was untrue? How so?
Until then, quit wetting the bed over it.
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