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Old 12-30-2017, 09:48 AM
 
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That has already happened at least once IIRC, with more likely to follow.
So a fruit loop joins and after basic training demands his/her private parts need to be rearranged. Surgery occurs along with lots of head shrinking and once ready for active duty their enlistment is up. Instead of four year enlistments should be eight year enlistments so the military can get a return on their investment.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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You think they're going to be preoccupied with infantrywomen? Sorry, but now it seems you're giving too little credit to the men, as well.
Yes, I do, I think that is human nature. Perhaps training can rectify this, but I doubt it. Human beings are hardwired this way. War is not an episode of American Gladiators. While I may not advocate women in the infantry, I also don't advocate spending more than the rest of the world combined on our high tech weaponry, much of which is built to prevent actual ground combat from having to take place.

But no worries, the next generation of infantry robots are right around the corner, and I heard they are androgynous.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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The requirements were crystal clear: If soldiers were going to need continuing medical attention to treat their condition or if there was a question about whether they would be able to serve in the harshest of battlefield conditions, they were not allowed to join. Even an individual with sleep apnea, who needed only a device that required access to electrical power, was ineligible.


It's an unforgiving standard but a necessary one if U.S. forces are going to prevail on distant battlefields.


These individuals would need medical treatments — hormone therapies and, often, surgeries and the accompanying recovery times — throughout the duration of their service. On this basis alone, under existing rules applicable to all, they would not be allowed to join.

BUT, HERE IS ALWAYS THE BIG BUT, military even allows mentally ill people to join now, so what knows?

My friends (all of them) served on average 3.5 tours. If the mentally ill, illegals, and transgenders want to replace them, go right ahead. I doubt it though. Overwhelming majority of them will never see combat. This is just a fact.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Yes, I do, I think that is human nature. Perhaps training can rectify this, but I doubt it. Human beings are hardwired this way. War is not an episode of American Gladiators. While I may not advocate women in the infantry, I also don't advocate spending more than the rest of the world combined on our high tech weaponry, much of which is built to prevent actual ground combat from having to take place.

But no worries, the next generation of infantry robots are right around the corner, and I heard they are androgynous.
agreed 100%
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So much hate for people who are willing to serve and die for their country.
suuuuuurrreee

Let's see how many of them will join with an open contract.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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well,

The Pentagon confirmed Tuesday that it will pay for a soldier’s gender reassignment surgery for the first time, according to multiple reports.

Because this service member had already begun a sex-reassignment course of treatment, and the treating doctor deemed this surgery medically necessary, a waiver was approved by the director of the Defense Health Agency,” White said. “The Supplemental Health Care Program will cover this surgery in accordance with the Department’s interim guidance on transgender Service members.”

Pentagon will pay for transgender soldier's reassignment surgery | TheHill


If transgender people are allowed to openly serve in the military, military has no choice but to pay for their sex-reassignment surgery IF they have already begun a sex-reassignment course of treatment. Once they get the surgery while openly serving in the military, they will be eligible for service related disability benefits. Yes, taxpayers will be responsible for their benefits forever.

My friend was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis 7 years after military service, he is not eligible for disability benefits because it was not service related; I have another friend who was diagnosed with the same condition WHILE serving in the Marine Corps, he is eligible for 20% disability benefits.

So if a transgender service member had already begun a sex-reassignment course of treatment, and the treating doctor deemed this surgery medically necessary, then he or she will be eligible for disability benefits.
I wasn't aware of what you just explained.
It looks to be easier to take the tax payers for a free ride than it is to stop it. Do you know what disability they generally or specifically claim when applying for disability ? Is it a mental or physical claim ?
IDK so I'm curious.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I wasn't aware of what you just explained.
It looks to be easier to take the tax payers for a free ride than it is to stop it. Do you know what disability they generally or specifically claim when applying for disability ? Is it a mental or physical claim ?
IDK so I'm curious.
If they received the surgery in the military, then they would be eligible for service related disability benefits. It is really that simple.

This much I do know, Currently, the VA provides gender transition counseling, evaluations for hormone therapy, and evaluations for gender transition surgeries.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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I wasn't aware of what you just explained.
It looks to be easier to take the tax payers for a free ride than it is to stop it. Do you know what disability they generally or specifically claim when applying for disability ? Is it a mental or physical claim ?
IDK so I'm curious.
VA is a wild ride....they will get a full mental/physical when they leave, but they have to request to be evaluated by the VA.

Here is a website:

https://www.benefits.va.gov/compensa...bqformname.asp

Funny thing is, you can be considered 0% disabled "military related" by the VA for things that do not currently disable you so down the road if "said" situation gets worse, you can reapply to get compensation.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:29 AM
 
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If they received the surgery in the military, then they would be eligible for service related disability benefits. It is really that simple.

This much I do know, Currently, the VA provides gender transition counseling, evaluations for hormone therapy, and evaluations for gender transition surgeries.
They would still have to be rated and getting 100% isn't as easy as some might imagine.

People used to be denied entry to service for a lot of reasons and one was being overweight. Having already begun a sex-reassignment course of treatment should be a reason to deny entry. If they didn't disclose it or lie about it they could be discharged with a less than Honorable discharge and denied VA benefits.

Its just more proof that government isn't the solution. Its the problem.
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Old 12-30-2017, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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VA is a wild ride....they will get a full mental/physical when they leave, but they have to request to be evaluated by the VA.

Here is a website:

https://www.benefits.va.gov/compensa...bqformname.asp

Funny thing is, you can be considered 0% disabled "military related" by the VA for things that do not currently disable you so down the road if "said" situation gets worse, you can reapply to get compensation.
Yeah.
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