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Old 12-30-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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Blue states need to keep their money within state borders and tell red states to go pound sand.
States do not earn money. People and corps do.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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You are correct. The Child Tax Credit and the EITC are both redistributive. The only fair way to apply taxes is a uniform tax of the same dollar amount for every person.
Wouldn't that make it impossible to raise enough revenue to function as a sovereign nation?

Because how would you collect a flat $1,000 tax from someone with zero (or $999) income, let alone the $10,000 flat tax needed to fund a $3T budget?
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:58 AM
 
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Wouldn't that make it impossible to raise enough revenue to function as a sovereign nation?

Because how would you collect a flat $1,000 tax from someone with zero (or $999) income, let alone the $10,000 flat tax needed to fund a $3T budget?
It becomes personal, non did-chargeable debt. To live, they cannot stay below 1k for long.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:05 PM
 
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States do not earn money. People and corps do.
State money comes from the people. And states that don't collect enough money from the people but get supplemented by the federal are TAKERS. States that pay more money (FROM THE PEOPLE) to the federal but receive less in benefits are GIVERS. That is definitely redistribution via taxes.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:07 PM
 
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A you can keep some of your money previously seized from you.

And if you do several rounds of this - Bush Tax Cuts plus Trump Tax Cuts plus, say, two more rounds of GOP tax cuts, you just might end up with A paying 4% and B paying 0%.

THEN what do you say to A? Still no redistribution?
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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The tax cuts effectively shift the tax burden toward childless taxpayers. Isn't that a form of redistribution?
Are taxes being raised on childless taxpayers? If not, how can it be "redistribution?"

Childless taxpayers are getting a cut too.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:18 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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It only redistributes money to those who pay no effective federal income taxes and then receive an actual check from the IRS due to the child credits. I oppose anyone receiving a “refund” that paid nothing to begin with.
Are you also opposed to welfare?
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:24 PM
 
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Are you also opposed to welfare?
And let's cut all that Disability magically going to West Virginia, Kentucky, Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama. Those are the top five states receiving it and that is a federal benefit. Did those states pay for that? NO. Blue states are paying for that. Absolutely that's redistribution.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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When you change the ratios of taxes paid so that one group gains and another loses or does not gain at the same level you are redistributing wealth. That is what occurred when the current tax bill was passed and signed by the President.
People keeping more of the money they earned isn't redistributing wealth. The tax code was already redistributing peoples wealth by having some paying a higher ratio than others and some paying less than nothing.
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Old 12-30-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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And if you do several rounds of this - Bush Tax Cuts plus Trump Tax Cuts plus, say, two more rounds of GOP tax cuts, you just might end up with A paying 4% and B paying 0%.

THEN what do you say to A? Still no redistribution?
We will unfortunately never have that problem.

We still tax too much, even with these cuts.
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