A Quarter of California Adolescents May Be ‘Gender Nonconforming.’ So What Does That Mean? (support, San Francisco)

[Xpat]

Originally Posted by Ceece

When you make reality optional then set societies rules based on that altered state it's a problem. If you can't see it you aren't thinking clearly or paying attention to anything. Unfortunately too many people have your attitude. I call it lazy.

No, lazy is to go along with the crowd and never think for yourself, never take a risk, never see if there is a better way...hiding away where its nice and safe.

These kids are the last thing from lazy since stating they are gender non-conforming means they are taking a risk and swimming against the current all for the privilege of just being themselves. That sure ain't lazy!

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by Ceece

It means nothing.


Well it actually means they are all idiots and the adults in their lives and the media are too...it's a real problem.

So adolescents take a survey on gender stereotypes/conformity and they're all idiots because they didn't answer the way you think is acceptable?

Like a girl that doesn't like dresses/sparkly heels/dolls is now an idiot? A boy that doesn't like playing football and likes musicals instead is an idiot, to you?

The only difference is that now there is name for not quite feeling exactly how society has told us we must be. Nowadays, there is just more of a spotlight on it. I'm not sure why you'd blame anyone for not feeling that they needed to conform to the culture/parental expectations/societal pressure of being purely "all boy" or a "girly girl".

I've got four kids...I'll tell you only one of my girls is a tomboy but hates sports --and one of my boys loves musicals and cries when he gets emotional. One of my other daughter's friends comes by in wavy long blue hair and a wears clothes that look like a female could typically wear. This is all the article is about. None are actually "androgynous" but there's a spectrum with all traits.

I think it's not harmful (outside of the bullying/stress) to just be what makes them feel like who they are inside. It's only a problem if people such as yourself make it one. It's only a problem if children that don't fit the mold are bullied by peers, teachers/adults. That's far more destructive than trying to fit into traditional societal norms as they've historically done. Just because it's something that we don'e fully understand or think is "normal", doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

[DriveInsAndMaltShops]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Hey I'm all for being true to onesself and standing in ones truth and all that, but when we try to apply objections to societal and cultural norms to biology, it's too much imo.

https://ww2.kqed.org/futureofyou/201...oes-that-mean/

When I was a youngin there were only men and women. Life was simpler.

[phantompilot]

Progressive agit-prop. You can ignore this kind of "data". It doesn't represent reality.

Obviously 1/4 of the population isn't confused about which gender they are. There has never been a population in history that is 1/4 mentally ill.

[basehead617]

Adolescent attitudes can be fleeting and not necessarily carry over into adulthood. It’s a conflicted time where you want to fit in but also be an individual. I wouldn’t take too much from any study of adolescents these days. If that generation as adults still have a fluid idea of gender then maybe there will be some associated differences in society but who knows what will happen.

[kttam186290]

There's a lot more "machismo" here in Southern California because of the Latino, working-class culture being so dominant here. Even in the gay community in L.A. and Southern California, masculinity is highly prized and a trait that is very much sought after. In Southern California, the "alpha male" is highly venerated. In Northern California, not so much.

Northern California is very, very different in this regard. It's much more oriented toward "gender neutrality" with the feminist, Jewish and Asian cultures being much more dominant.

Trans people will likely feel greater acceptance in the Bay Area than they would in So Cal.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

There's a lot more "machismo" here in Southern California because of the Latino, working-class culture being so dominant here. Even in the gay community in L.A. and Southern California, masculinity is highly prized and a trait that is very much sought after. In Southern California, the "alpha male" is highly venerated. In Northern California, not so much.

Northern California is very, very different in this regard. It's much more oriented toward "gender neutrality" with the feminist, Jewish and Asian cultures being much more dominant.

Trans people will likely feel greater acceptance in the Bay Area than they would in So Cal.

If the feminist culture is less dominant in SoCal than NorCal, it's only in the same way that Islam is less dominant in Iran than in Saudi Arabia.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by majoun

If the feminist culture is less dominant in SoCal than NorCal, it's only in the same way that Islam is less dominant in Iran than in Saudi Arabia.

No, Nor Cal and So Cal are miles and miles apart when it comes to feminism.

Would Hugh Hefner ever have thought about building the Playboy Mansion in San Francisco?

L.A. has a sexiness about it that inspires machismo, and also feeds off of it. It's the warm climate, the grittiness, the suburbia, the working class culture, the history of aerospace and innovation, Hollywood, the regions role in manufacturing and, lately, the dominance of Latino culture.

This isn't true of Northern California or San Francisco, in general, which has always prized itself on being the antithesis of L.A.

And, yes, there is a difference between the Persian culture and Arab culture, if you actually bother to really look...

[basehead617]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

And, yes, there is a difference between the Persian culture and Arab culture, if you actually bother to really look...

You'll have to pardon majoun, who doesn't know anything about Iran or Saudi Arabia or Islam.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by basehead617

You'll have to pardon majoun, who doesn't know anything about Iran or Saudi Arabia or Islam.

apparently...