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Old 12-30-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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Off the bat, some people will say that tax cuts can never be redistributive as long as they are nonrefundable, because there's no redistribution involved in letting people keep more of their own money.

I've long derided the Bush Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

I'm deriding the Trump Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

The tax cuts effectively shift the tax burden toward childless taxpayers. Isn't that a form of redistribution?

If the answer is NO, why not just stick childless taxpayers with the tab?

Do it for the children.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:29 AM
 
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It only redistributes money to those who pay no effective federal income taxes and then receive an actual check from the IRS due to the child credits. I oppose anyone receiving a “refund” that paid nothing to begin with.

Outside of that, it’s not redistribution.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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It is absurd. If you take some money from some rich clown and use it to pave the roads, you're a "socialist commie" or some nonsense. But if you just give most of the money to the rich, a few bucks to the working class, and let the roads fall apart while sticking the next generation with the bill, you're suddenly a "patriotic hero." It's nuts.

I think I'm going to call up my credit card company the next time the bill comes due and simply pay them a lot less that what I owe this month. After all, think of the "savings" I'll have, and it's "my money," right?

Right-wing logic at its finest.
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Old 12-30-2017, 08:42 AM
 
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I've long derided the Bush Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

I'm deriding the Trump Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

The tax cuts effectively shift the tax burden toward childless taxpayers. Isn't that a form of redistribution?
Whether it is or isn't, I suppose is a matter of semantics.

However everyone should be able to grasp the idea that a tax reduction for one group places a burden on everyone who is not in that group.
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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Letting people keep their money is redistribution?
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Old 12-30-2017, 09:26 AM
 
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answer: never

Can't redistribute ones one money.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:02 AM
 
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EITC, people that pay zero income-taxes, can be eligible for over 6k in "tax refunds", now THAT is what you call redistribution.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:15 AM
 
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Off the bat, some people will say that tax cuts can never be redistributive as long as they are nonrefundable, because there's no redistribution involved in letting people keep more of their own money.

I've long derided the Bush Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

I'm deriding the Trump Tax Cuts as tax cuts for PARENTS because they expanded child tax credits.

The tax cuts effectively shift the tax burden toward childless taxpayers. Isn't that a form of redistribution?

If the answer is NO, why not just stick childless taxpayers with the tab?

Do it for the children.
When you change the ratios of taxes paid so that one group gains and another loses or does not gain at the same level you are redistributing wealth. That is what occurred when the current tax bill was passed and signed by the President.
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:21 AM
 
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It only redistributes money to those who pay no effective federal income taxes and then receive an actual check from the IRS due to the child credits. I oppose anyone receiving a “refund” that paid nothing to begin with.

Outside of that, it’s not redistribution.



i'm referring to the Trump Tax Cuts insofar as they - unlike the Bush Tax Cuts - are nonrefundable, i.e. parents no longer get free money through the child tax credit / EITC.

(Childless taxpayers NEVER got free money from tax credits, as EITC is designed to never give childless taxpayers more than they paid in.)

So if you keep decreasing the effective tax rate of parents at a rate greater than you decrease the effective tax rate on childless adults, it's not redistributive?

If a parent with $N income pays an effective tax rate of, say, 5% and a single filer with $N income pays an effective tax rate of 10%, that's not redistributive?
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Old 12-30-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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Letting people keep their money is redistribution?

NO if everyone's taxes is cut at the same rate.

YES if the different groups get different rate reductions.

NO if you cut everyone's taxes from, say, 20% to 10%.

YES, if you cut group A's taxes from 20% to 12% and cut group B's taxes from 20% to 8%.

Get it? What do you say to group A?
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