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Old 01-03-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Most of their report corroborated what the FBI was already investigating, they have professional investigators.


Why hasn't Grassley released their testimony, he wont even answer any questions regarding the transcript.
Look, I really don't care where you come from on this politically, but Fusion GPS is the worst kind of thing that could happen to the MSM. They are professional liars for hire that will push the truth right up to the point of blackmail. Too many media companies, especially CNN, are in bed with Fusion. I personally believe in a strong press because it's good for the country. But Fusion GPS is not good for the press.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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No not professional liars. They are professional information gatherers. They will work with whoever pays. Pure American capitalism.

Now then the GOP should release the minutes.
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Old 01-03-2018, 02:46 PM
 
Location: United States
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Yes--full transparency. Republicans should release the transcripts. Please stay on topic--GOP obstruction.

"...Republicans have refused to release full transcripts of our firm’s testimony, even as they selectively leak details to media outlets on the far right. It’s time to share what our company told investigators..."

If we want to know what was used in the FISA court application, and what evidence was used to launch the Russian investigation, why not just go directly to the source, the FBI/DOJ?

How in the world would Fusion know what was in the FISA court application, and what evidence was used to launch the Russian investigation?

Like I said, the Fusion transcripts are a complete red herring, if we want the answers, go directly to the source, the FBI/DOJ.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:05 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Fusion states clearly their dossier was NOT the motivation for the counter intel investigation and THEY TOLD CONGRESS this in august. we now know the the republicans have kown this the whole time, the details are on maddow and in the NYT and The Hill...

Maddow breaks a bunch news this news tonight on her show. Fusion seem to want to get the information to the public that Republicans are trying to block the investigation. repubs are doing their best to protect Trump yet it is very clear they have known all along that there is damning evidence that Trump was money laundering with Russian around the globe and IMPORTANTLY that Trump's team KNEW exactly what was going on the whole time. the whole time and before even the FBI appears to have known.

Seems GPS tried to get congress to investigate bank accounts and transactions that might prove money laundering but that republicans investigating are refusing to investigate anyone but Fusion in attempts to smear them..

GPS co founder quote..
I don't see the point of Fusion GPS's claim? Speaking for myself at least, I don't care how the investigation began. I'm interested in how the FBI aquired the FISA warrant to wite tap Trump Tower and the Trump campaign? If the FBI used the unverified dossier, then anything gleaned in those wire taps is inadmissible and the ionvestigation is essentially over. It'd be very simple to put this to rest. The FBI just needs to comply with the law and show the FISA application.

Not only will we the Mueller investigation be able to move forward with all of America knowing it was launched legitimately, but we will also find the name of the judge that issued the FISA warrant. I doubt the judge was Rudolph Contreras, but if by some long shot the FISA judge that issued the warrant to spy on the Trump team happens to have been Rudolph Contreras, who then oversaw the trial of Michael Flynn from that testimony, that opens up a whole new camn of wroms as well. Again, it's highly unlikely that happened, and the Mueller team will be in a much stronger position once the country knows for sure.

Fusion GPS has stonewalled, failed to show up and taken the 5th for the most part. Pretending that it's they who are demanding transparency is not going to work on anyone with a brain.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:12 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Look, I really don't care where you come from on this politically, but Fusion GPS is the worst kind of thing that could happen to the MSM. They are professional liars for hire that will push the truth right up to the point of blackmail. Too many media companies, especially CNN, are in bed with Fusion. I personally believe in a strong press because it's good for the country. But Fusion GPS is not good for the press.
I think it will be very healthy once we find out which writers in the MSM they've been paying. We know they have been, but they're hiding their financial records to stop the people from knowing. If a person was suspicious they might think Fusion GPS has been paying their cronies at the left wing media outlets to push the Russian narrative. That would not be good press for those writers and MSM outlets.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Like I said, the Fusion transcripts are a complete red herring, if we want the answers, go directly to the source, the FBI/DOJ.
Let's flip the roles here and say Obama is being investigated by his own Justice Department. Holder has recused himself from the investigation and Yates has hired a Democrat and former Bill Clinton appointee as special counsel. After terminating Robert Mueller, Obama nominates Preet Bharara to lead the FBI. He is unanimously confirmed by Senate Democrats.

Obama believes Republicans have created this whole thing and Adam Schiff sends a subpoena to Yates and Bharara requesting information re the Steele Dossier. When he doesn't get it, he claims that Yates and Bharara are hiding the truth, even though turning over the evidence that the investigation is a giant hoax would obviously be in their best interest.

Sound logical?
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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NOPE NOPE NOPE.

that is what is important to YOU, because you desperate to try to discredit Mueller's investigation by any means you can.


BUT HARD LUCK , you failed. Your Dossier bull has been debunked and the Aussies back it up. Tough luck try going after something else. maybe you could argue Mueller is too white and that is unfair to Trump, or that Mueller is too Republican and that is unfair to Trump?

just keep throwing mud maybe you will finally get something to stick.
You really are desperate. We have no idea how the FISA warrant was acquired. There is one way and one way only to know, and that is to see the FISA application. The FBI, by law, must hand over the application to Congress today. They have stalled, refused to comment & refused to comply with the law up until now, but today they must show us the application. This should be good news for you. When you're right you can come here and gloat. Plus, it will take much of the doubt out of this investigation once we know the FISA warrant were acquired legally. I can't think of a single reason someone as sure as yourself, would want that application hidden from public view?
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:19 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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Let's flip the roles here and say Obama is being investigated by his own Justice Department. Holder has recused himself from the investigation and Yates has hired a Democrat and former Bill Clinton appointee as special counsel. After terminating Robert Mueller, Obama nominates Preet Bharara to lead the FBI. He is unanimously confirmed by Senate Democrats.

Obama believes Republicans have created this whole thing and Adam Schiff sends a subpoena to Yates and Bharara requesting information re the Steele Dossier. When he doesn't get it, he claims that Yates and Bharara are hiding the truth, even though turning over the evidence that the investigation is a giant hoax would obviously be in their best interest.

Sound logical?
This would be an apt comparison if Trump had not split the Republican party down the middle, creating a phemomenon called "Never-Trumpers". At the end of the day, what the FBI and DOJ want is to act autonomously and keep their secrets hidden. Trump is a threat to that, Obama was not.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:22 PM
 
Location: St Paul
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That op-ed and the whole discredited bunk about some aussie intelligence source kicking off the investigation are pure damage control trying to distract from whats important.

These clowns are claiming they didn't know about the Trump Jr meeting with the russian lawyer. That is not really credible since we know that they met with that same lawyer just before and just after that meeting. Furthermore, Rod Goldstone who is a Fusion associate is the guy who pushed to set the meeting up in the first place.

Exactly how are they in a position to know what started one of the most secretive FBI investigations ever launched?

These claims fly in the face of what several of their team members have been bragging about for the past year.

Even if you take the Papadopoulos claim as true, then the mere fact that Russia already had these emails and the first the Trump campaign learned about them was through Pap. would prove that Trump didn't collude with them to illegally obtain the emails. They already had them.

And if Papadopoulos was so central to the whole investigation, why is that the FBI didn't bother to seek warrants to spy on him? Instead they got them for Page.

How did the supposed aussie source start the investigation if by the time the FBI supposedly learned of it they had already filed for a FISA warrant and been rejected?

NYT and others have pushed for almost year that the Page meeting was what kicked off this investigation. That info came from the dossier. In fact, CNN published a report last year that the dossier was in fact used to obtain the FISA warrant.

Since then we learn that this dossier was nothing more than a smear campaign paid for by Clinton. Now realizing how problematic it is to use that dossier to obtain a warrant, they are trying to change their own narrative and suddenly poof! its Papadopoulos, nevermind what they have been saying for the past year.

The real problem is that this new Papadopoulos angle doesn't fit the timeline or narrative they have already established under oath.

Meanwhile we have now FBI documents that show that the sheer volume of classified material Clinton and her cronies where mishandling is evidence in itself of multiple crimes. Also learning that destruction of evidence after it was subpoenaed was completely ignored and swept under the rug by the FBI. Also the decision to exonerate her was made before a dozen witnesses were interviewed, including Clinton herself, and before much of the subpoenaed info had been delivered.

Try and spin that timeline all you want. We will see in the end what is what.
Slow...clapping.
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Old 01-03-2018, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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This would be an apt comparison if Trump had not split the Republican party down the middle, creating a phemomenon called "Never-Trumpers". At the end of the day, what the FBI and DOJ want is to act autonomously and keep their secrets hidden. Trump is a threat to that, Obama was not.
But Rosenstein and Wray are Trump appointees. Surely, if they had evidence that would help Trump, they would turn it over to Nunes, right?
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