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Old 12-07-2018, 01:32 PM
 
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You afraid we'll end up dropping back down to Obama levels?

Funny how they miss the point that the market has risen to historic highs under the Trump economy. How all records have been broken, and like roaches when the lights are turned out, show up on a routine dip.

 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Well, yeah sorta. However, if he's aware his tariffs are causing the markets to tank, and he cares about the market tanking, why doesn't he just call off all the tariffs? Markets would soar if he did.
You sound like someone who took his money out of the market when Trump had his historic win against Bill Clinton's drunken estranged wife.


Is that the case?
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:38 PM
 
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You sound like someone who took his money out of the market when Trump had his historic win against Bill Clinton's drunken estranged wife.


Is that the case?
Hillary is NOT an alcoholic. Where do you get this crazy idea? Just because she tripped on a curb when entering a car, it does NOT mean she is a drunk. You peeps can’t let her go because she almost beat your boy.
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:39 PM
 
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Hillary is NOT an alcoholic. Where do you get this crazy idea? Just because she tripped on a curb when entering a car, it does NOT mean she is a drunk. You peeps can’t let her go because she almost beat your boy.
She admitted to it in her book. Got anything else to say that isn't correct?
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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The stock market is not based on "actual value".... is built upon "speculations" !!!! Today's people don't have any concern for the actual value of companies, based on real time and honest production and sales factual figures.

It's susceptible to any way "drama flows"..... In 20 yrs, it will be either irrelevant, or it will undergo a paradigm shift, to require it to be based on actual production and actual sales for its performance stats.... because technology will "track everything" and they won't be able to circumvent actual "real time facts" about actual production and actual sales.
Everything will have a code identifier, that deals with units and cost factors... that is equated in relations to what is produced, as well, when all materials that go into production are hard figures in data system. This will enable "value measurement" to be more exacting in relation to value and cost for the retail sale price... this means, profit will be factored as a result of such intricate management of what's produced and what is sold. It will also be able to track "dead stock", "over stocking" and "the spin game of liquidated stock which now is a game played to pretend one has sales higher than actually exist, from the company who originally produced a product.
Currently, overstocking and liquidation games, and over expansions, are played to pretend that a company is performing at a level higher than is actual. which means the projected (speculated sales value) does not match the actual liquidated profit decrease based on liquidation % returns. Overstocking and dead stock, is another phase in "loss" x "time", of dead stock. The game now is mergers and acquisition to confound the books, and bury the facts, while mergers and acquisition bring on debt, by counting Overstocking "dead stock" as a value at top rate, when reality is that value is of a reduced rate as its already slated for Liquidation, once the ink dries on the paper, product lines are dropped and divisions close, and the game switches to do the same spin on the commodity of the acquired company. Product quality drops, outsourcing is spun up, and inferior brands are promoted based on past history, until the consumer comes to understand they have a lesser grade product... and must spend 40% or more to get what they originally bargains for, in a different lot number product, with the same name, but has been re-classed as a higher grade. Eventually consumer catch on, and brand quality is diluted by the expanded line of inferior products trying to capitalize on the history of brand name.

We see it over and over and over, with brand names being slapped on 20 different lower grade models, trying to capture market shared based on historical brand name.

Solid Companies, don't extend their product line to such levels of excess models of inferior standards. They don't license their Name to producers of inferior products.

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(Sadly, "Solid Companies" are being daily damaged by 4 yr wonders coming out of University with Bright Eyes and Greed Minds, seeking a killing for the Title of Degree, and they come in with "professor academic scrips of how to sue scheme and sham to try and extract 1000% from a penny, and collect a hefty bonus for doing so. These are the types who strike first as employees with cuts and wage stagnation and stripped away benefits, and poor working conditions. Unaware and Unconcerned, that the same employees they are attacking and stripping and ripping is the people who makes up part of the nations customer base. All they know is Pump and Dump to try and break a quarter "stock ticker spin"... which has no foundation of quality valuation.
Whats funny is many of these 4 yr wonders are the same one who could not clean their own laundry, and waited on a trust fund dismemberment, or mom and day to deposit some funds in a credit card, that mom and dad paid the bills for.. and they come out and claim themselves to be "financial wizards", because they learn some tricks games with numbers and deceptive accounting practices backed by scammed based marketing gaming...

The Principles the Stock Market was founded up, is something they have no concept of awareness of, for, or about.


One should remember, something as simple as parts counting scales have been around for decades, as well as the power of computing factors and determining value of resource needs, product management, and the whole of what is industrial production of all types.
This will also have an impact upon "service related business", because the service is based upon measurable factors and variables that fit into categorical and referential groupings.

Today, considering where technology is, and how it has created all of the many platform that promote "trading frenzy" in the era of "high speculation"... it has a great factor of built-in structured default... that has a proclivity for failure and loss, which is evident in the instruments of financial spin programmings, and we see that by the exaggerated mess within Derivatives excesses and the big spin game of Hedging, and the Hedge Fund Managers. All drive by speculations of exaggerated proportions and the Insurance principled profit game is used to promote Credit Default Swaps which has melded itself within the game of financial institutions, and its like the house of cards, or the dominoes lined up waiting on the first to take a hit.

People should pay attention - based the business relative to what people actually utilize!!!! what is core in the basic needs and the high priority convenience appliance that people utilize... one can gauge for themselves much about companies performance, but be mindful, whenever companies go public, or trade public, and check their history of borrowing, the history of who is the industrial investors, and be very mindful of executive compensation and executive stock options. Pay attention when Bonuses are paid, to be certain you understand what that bonus is being paid for.

The Stock Ticker... simply tells of the "Gaming within Speculation".... Companies stock tickers today, move at a rate and pace that exceeds in a great many industries, greater than 300% above their actual ability to perform.

Many have embedded themselves so much in debt to push that game, the slightest downturn in actual jobs and actual spending, can spin out of control and consume these debt basket cases, into default and failure.

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Old 12-07-2018, 01:41 PM
 
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How empty does your life have to be to get you to resort to the worship of someone like Donald Trump in cultlike fashion and invent lies about retired politicians and their drinking habits in order to find meaning in it?
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:43 PM
 
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You sound like someone who took his money out of the market when Trump had his historic win against Bill Clinton's drunken estranged wife.

Is that the case?
I took what little money I had in the market out in early-mid 2016, well before the election. And we're talking less than a couple hundred $$.
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:50 PM
 
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Well, yeah sorta. However, if he's aware his tariffs are causing the markets to tank, and he cares about the market tanking, why doesn't he just call off all the tariffs? Markets would soar if he did.
"sorta".... yeah - OK

The markets soared with the tariffs and other international negotiations he has done. That's why he kept going.

Now he is reviewing what has taken place to make sure his actions are beneficial and not causing the brief downturn and hopefully limit the damage. That's what an adult would do.

What do you want here?
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:53 PM
 
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"sorta".... yeah - OK

The markets soared with the tariffs and other international negotiations he has done. That's why he kept going.

Now he is reviewing what has taken place to make sure his actions are beneficial and not causing the brief downturn and hopefully limit the damage. That's what an adult would do.

What do you want here?
"Virtually every economist on Earth said my actions would adversely affect the markets. Now that I've ignored them and implemented these changes anyway, the market is suffering. Maybe I should ask around about what I have done. Because that's what an adult would do."
 
Old 12-07-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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"Virtually every economist on Earth said my actions would adversely affect the markets. Now that I've ignored them and implemented these changes anyway, the market is suffering. Maybe I should ask around about what I have done. Because that's what an adult would do."
Economists? LAWL

They ALL got it wrong starting with that idiot nobel pryze winner Krugman who said the markets would crash to recession levels under Trump IF he was elected.

https://www.investors.com/politics/c...tions-of-2017/




But if you believe them, when are you going to liquidate?
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