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Why do you keep repeating this when I have said the wall will deter border jumpers. No one is saying it will deter visa over stayers as that will have to be addressed in a different way. WTH is wrong with you that you can't seem to grasp that?
You're missing the obvious point that latimeria is making. It's better to focus money on the bigger problems rather than the smaller ones. Since Trump is going to have Mexico pay for the wall, we should spend our own money on the bigger problem of visa holders overstaying.
To quote a fool: "WTH is wrong with you that you can't seem to grasp that?"
Not everyone wants to buy nothing but cheap foreign products as jobs disappear here, well except maybe you.
That's interesting. On one hand, you guys love to claim you're trying to protect the lower class by eliminating the competition for cheap labor, but here you are arguing that rising prices on goods is somehow a positive despite the fact that it would hurt the lower-income brackets the most. So they'd have a crappy job picking fruit, but still be too poor to pay for anything. Great plan.
Why do you keep repeating this when I have said the wall will deter border jumpers. No one is saying it will deter visa over stayers as that will have to be addressed in a different way. WTH is wrong with you that you can't seem to grasp that?
Because numbers indicate that overstays are greater or around the same number as than illegal border crossings. For a itsy-bitsy fraction of the wall money, you could knock out about half of illegals from South America.
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Why do you keep repeating this when I have said the wall will deter border jumpers. No one is saying it will deter visa over stayers as that will have to be addressed in a different way. WTH is wrong with you that you can't seem to grasp that?
Because I believe something different than you as far as what would be a better solution? Your wall links that you post are a decade+ old. If you can show me current stats of the different facets you argue(like the last year or so) that’s one thing. But people keep focusing on the wall so fervently when that’s not even really how many of these people come now.
I just don’t think a full scale wall is needed to battle this instead of trying all of the other more plausible and useful solutions first like real full scale e-verify, visa reform, more border security, etc. Also work on keeping our guns from heading to Mexico and battling demand for drugs too.
Trump stil believes that Mexico will pay for wall.
He already asked American tax payers for the money. He will ask for more, since his wall will end costing over $100 billion (not 10 billion like he said initially). So, he is going to burn $100B of tax payer money and then insist Mexico paid for it.
How about you stop employing them and holding those that do accountable? That's easier than getting Mexico to pay for the wall.
Here's some more basic mathematics for you. Unless we remove all of the incentives for them to come here such as birthright citizenship and benefits for their kids jobs alone won't do it. Also, criminals and terrorists aren't looking for jobs, thus the wall. It's partly our government's fault that Mexicans and other illegals have violated our borders illegally en masse so I have no problem with us paying for the wall in part or all of it. It's cheaper to build the wall than the increasing costs due to illegal immigration.
Statistically, we have suffered more terrorism from our own citizens. So if terrorism is a concern, the wall will not help.
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That's interesting. On one hand, you guys love to claim you're trying to protect the lower class by eliminating the competition for cheap labor, but here you are arguing that rising prices on goods is somehow a positive despite the fact that it would hurt the lower-income brackets the most. So they'd have a crappy job picking fruit, but still be too poor to pay for anything. Great plan.
So, if there were no jobs in the US but lots of super cheap products, you believe that is a good thing.
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