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(So the "Easterners" were attacked by the Crusaders - Byzantium including.)
Early Russia not only accepted Christianization from Eastern Roman Church (i.e. Byzantium) rejecting Rome, (and later, after the fall of Constantinople became the Third Rome,) but later in history she reinforced her differences with the "West" not only in religious, but in political sense as well. Russians chose a different "social formation" comparably to the "West," and thus the stand up between the "East" and "West" in Europe took already a socio-political form.
most Americans would not be able to point to california on the map ... are you asking to consider latin america as the west? Latin America is and will always be part of the Western world ... It will be the home of the Europeans when their continent is Islamized. Giant countries like Brazil harbor enormous colonies of Italians, Portuguese, Germans, Poles, Spaniards.
Latin America is the bastard son of the white mother and the black father, who will only have their due value when their European brothers fall in the face of Arab abuse.
Given the fact that most of the people's that Rome conquered were Pre-literate--it's not a surprise that Latin played a huge influence in forming the modern English language. Along with the Norse and the remnants of Old Saxon.
Culturally, however--with a nod to the extreme versatility of English---English is not Latin, culturally---Spanish has that role.
English, culturally, is, well, English.
I totally agree with you. I'm only trying to point out that things between Anglo-Saxon and Latin culture and language are not always so well defined and black and white. Those who see England as some kind of isolated fortress immune from Latin influence are wrong. Let's not also forget that England today would be a Roman Catholic country like Ireland if Henry VIII hadn't wanted a divorce. Before that, Henry was staunchly Roman Catholic and considered anyone else who wasn't, a heretic. The English Royals and Spanish Royals were also closely connected and Henry's first wife of course was Spanish. 16 percent of the Scottish population is still Roman Catholic.
I think a lot of difference in culture between Northern Europe and Southern Europe along the Mediterranean has much more to do with a huge difference in climate than anything else. Climate dictated how people lived, how much food they had and how much free time they had.
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most Americans would not be able to point to california on the map ... are you asking to consider latin america as the west? Latin America is and will always be part of the Western world ... It will be the home of the Europeans when their continent is Islamized. Giant countries like Brazil harbor enormous colonies of Italians, Portuguese, Germans, Poles, Spaniards.
Latin America is the bastard son of the white mother and the black father, who will only have their due value when their European brothers fall in the face of Arab abuse.
You do know Latin America has more Arabs than Europe and their the most assimilated group there.
If we are going to do this racially-
Argentina
Uruguay
Brazil
are all nearly as racially white as the U.S or more.
Their cities and Spanish cities are built very similar, Chile is actually developed and it isn’t developed in the way of East Asia or some ancient Incan culture clearly Chile is a western country.
Had waves of immigration from Europe even more so than America.
Political system is completely based in European politics. I mean very rare to find ethnic parties in many of these countries. I don’t see how you can consider Italy and Spain western and then discount Latin America, you can’t just say more brown people when their native culture is basically nonexistent like the United States. I’ll argue that a few Carribean countries have very strong ties to say Africa, and are completely devoid of European people at all, but in most Latin countries 90% of people have some European an energy and more than 40% of all Latin Americans racially are (genetically majority) white anyways so the racial argument doesn’t pan out especially when the native or African side of their ancestry is all but unknown. Mexico doesn’t follow some Aztec culture in anyway at all. This is what separates them from other colonies like in South Asia or Africa we clearly have little European heritage and much of our politics or beliefs are based in ancenstral things. Religion is clearly the biggest part of culture imo, just look at why anything in any ancient city is being built, it almost has something to do with religion.
They share the same European colonization as the US, Canada, and Australia and also mostly practice Christianity, so why are Latin American countries not considered as part of the modern Western nations?
Western countries have the hallmark of prosperity, i.e., a high GDP per capita.
GDP certainly is not the litmus test for being Western. There are several Asian countries that are quite prosperous and couldn't be any further from being considered Western.
Western countries have the hallmark of prosperity, i.e., a high GDP per capita.
Portugal- $19,000 per capita
Lisbon- $32,000 per capita (wealthiest in Portugal)
Monterrey- $31,000 per capita
Mexico City- $32,000 per capita
Sao Paulo- $40,000 per capita
So are these cities western then because Portugal certainly is?
GDP certainly is not the litmus test for being Western. There are several Asian countries that are quite prosperous and couldn't be any further from being considered Western.
High GDP per capita is necessary but not sufficient.
Western also means that your country's language, culture and institutions derive mainly from western Europe. So, the United States and Australia are western but Japan and South Korea are not.
Portugal- $19,000 per capita
Lisbon- $32,000 per capita (wealthiest in Portugal)
Monterrey- $31,000 per capita
Mexico City- $32,000 per capita
Sao Paulo- $40,000 per capita
So are these cities western then because Portugal certainly is?
It can't be just certain wealthy cities, but it has to include the country as a whole.
And a few countries are borderline because they are exceptions. I think Portugal and Chile can go either way.
They share the same European colonization as the US, Canada, and Australia and also mostly practice Christianity, so why are Latin American countries not considered as part of the modern Western nations?
The term has been around a long time but I am not exactly sure when the modern term "The West" came about to mean basically the First World - Europe, Anglo North America, Japan, Australia and a few other countries.
My guess is it was during the Cold War. And that would provide the an answer to your question. Most of Latin America was politically non-aligned during the Cold War.
A secondary answer would be much of Latin America was unstable third world countries during the period in contrast to the mostly stable democratic and wealthy western countries.
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