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Old 01-20-2018, 10:11 AM
 
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I'm not disputing some good points form both sides on these issues.

BUT the basic notion of using DACA or CHIP as bargaining tools to 'win' is disgusting. It's the swamp at its swampiest....and until we let ALL our politicians know we aren't impressed with any of them for playing this stupid game, they will continue.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Ending DACA would hurt the economy. Many DACA people are valued employees at businesses, and those businesses would be hurt if they lost them.

"The data illustrate that DACA recipients continue to make positive and significant contributions to the economy, including earning higher wages, which translates into higher tax revenue and economic growth that benefits all Americans. In addition, DACA recipients are buying cars, purchasing their first homes, and even creating new businesses. The survey’s results also show that at least 72 percent of the top 25 Fortune 500 companies employ DACA recipients."

These are not "criminal illegals." These are people who came here as children -- a choice they did not make -- but have assimilated into our society. The majority of them have good jobs, pay taxes; a significant fraction of them are in college earning a degree.

Conservatives stereotype DACA people as unemployed migrants who illegal swam across the Rio Grande at night. It's a false characterization. Trump says he wants merit-based immigration; fine, the DACA people are the "keepers" so let's keep them.
Elliott. Democrats do not care about the illegals. They want votes. California is forever lost because of amnesty .

1)Secure the border (build the wall) 2)merit based immigration 3) no voting rights for DACA 4) No chain migration 5) Imprison anyone coming over the border 6) pass kates law
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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Sorry Pedro, not buying it. Trump advertised himself as the deal maker....he ALONE could make Washington whole again. He had the responsibility to garner 60 votes. Buck stops with the impotent orangester. He said he would, he could. He promised. He said it was solely the president's responsibility if the government shut down back when Obama was president. He could have accepted the bipartisan deal. His puppeteer, Stephen Miller refused to accept it.

I’m not a democrat, I’m a moderate independent. I’m repulsed.
Funny how they tend to gloss over those little details, isn't it ?
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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Ending DACA would hurt the economy. Many DACA people are valued employees at businesses, and those businesses would be hurt if they lost them.

"The data illustrate that DACA recipients continue to make positive and significant contributions to the economy, including earning higher wages, which translates into higher tax revenue and economic growth that benefits all Americans. In addition, DACA recipients are buying cars, purchasing their first homes, and even creating new businesses. The survey’s results also show that at least 72 percent of the top 25 Fortune 500 companies employ DACA recipients."

These are not "criminal illegals." These are people who came here as children -- a choice they did not make -- but have assimilated into our society. The majority of them have good jobs, pay taxes; a significant fraction of them are in college earning a degree.

Conservatives stereotype DACA people as unemployed migrants who illegal swam across the Rio Grande at night. It's a false characterization. Trump says he wants merit-based immigration; fine, the DACA people are the "keepers" so let's keep them.
ASSIMILATED??? God, liberals are blind. Why don’t you create a website and offer to take a bus load in to support the rest of their lives? Of course, you won’t be allowed to pick and choose the “good” ones. You must not discriminate and will have to take the murderers, thieves of identity, scammers, and rapists. Because as you say, they have assimilated.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Would you support a law granting them citizenship while forbidding their parents visas, residency or citizenship?

I personally would have no problem with that. The parents were the criminals, the children were not. They were raised here and culturally, Americans. The only thing that separates them from us is a piece of paper. Send everyone who willfully does not follow are rule of law home. I believe that there are exceptions to every rule and the dreamers are the exception. If you start sending the parents back, how many dreamers will follow voluntarily? How many dreamers have no family left here and don't have family back in Mexico? Should they be sent to what's essentially a foreign country because they had no choice where to live as children? The haters would say so, but I think it's incredibly cruel. End DACA for future children. That could be a deterrent to future illegals, but grandfather the ones that are here.

The democrats are not supporting illegals over Americans. There was a bipartisan deal that Trump said he would sign, but, as usual, he went back on his word to feed an ever shrinking base.

One year to the day that Trump is in office and the government is shut down. Brilliant negotiation skills there. Enjoy.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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DACA has nothing to do with the budget.

Dems are throwing a tantrum.......plain and simple.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:17 AM
 
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Elliott. Democrats do not care about the illegals. They want votes. California is forever lost because of amnesty .

1)Secure the border (build the wall) 2)merit based immigration 3) no voting rights for DACA 4) No chain migration 5) Imprison anyone coming over the border 6) pass kates law
And not one of your solutions actually addresses the core issue: employment. With one single bullet point, you would make the other ones you list irrelevant.

Target those who employ these people and the issue largely goes away. No one is going to risk a potentially-deadly border crossing if there is no work for them on this side.

Interesting that ALL of your solutions target the people coming here, but none actually address WHY they are coming here.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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The Democrats want this for Hispanic votes. No sugar coating it. It has nothing to do with dreamers. Its all to do with changing the electoral map.
Post is again with the Right Wing Myth. Never believe a Right Winger when he tells you what the left or Democrats want.

Mexican Americans actually tend to be mildly conservative on many issues. And legalization need not lead directly to citizenship.
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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And not one of your solutions actually addresses the core issue: employment. With one single bullet point, you would make the other ones you list irrelevant.

Target those who employ these people and the issue largely goes away. No one is going to risk a potentially-deadly border crossing if there is no work for them on this side.

Interesting that ALL of your solutions target the people coming here, but none actually address WHY they are coming here.
Forgive me I forgot a federal nationwide e-verify for all employers
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Old 01-20-2018, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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If Dems wanted DACA as a clean bill they should have done it when they had all three branches instead of shoving the ACA down the country's throat.

But instead, Obama did it as an unconstitutional executive order.......which is why Trump could recind it.

This is what you get for attempting to do an end run around the Constitution. .....

Live by the sword.....die by the sword.
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