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Looks like Assanges hope have been dashed once and for all.
Assange is no longer at the embassy. He left in December, when he got diplomatic immunity.
Roger Stone confirmed it just 2 days ago while in London he went by the Ecuadorian embassy to see Assange. He was told, Assange is no longer there.
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Between 2004 and 2012 the u.s. extradited 130 people from the uk, denied 9. That is 93% chance.
The vast majority would be far more straight forwad cases, you can be extradited for numerous offences such as being wanted for homicide.
It should be noted for instance that James Earl Ray, the man convicted of shooting Martin Luther King was extradited from the UK after being caught at Heathrow Airport and there are many other such cases.
In terms of computer hacking Lori Love is not the first to escape extradition, indeed when Theresa May was Home Secretary Gary McKinnon had his extradition blocked due to Human Rights Laws, Britain havingb enshirned the European Covention on Human Rights in to British Law.
Assange is no longer at the embassy. He left in December, when he got diplomatic immunity.
Roger Stone confirmed it just 2 days ago while in London he went by the Ecuadorian embassy to see Assange. He was told, Assange is no longer there.
If Assange was no loner in the UK then there would be no need Lawyers Assanges Lawyers to ask the court to withdraw the warrant in the first place.
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I don't know where Assange is, but you are wrong, there is good reason to contest this arrest warrant in the UK.
Assange wants to be cleared, and allowed to travel freely, he should contest the arrest warrant.
If he's not in the UK then there would be no good reason.
As for the arrest warrant, he broke bail and cost the UK taxpayer over £12 million.
He will never be given bail again, as those who have broken bail conditions in the past are remanded in custody.
The Courts were merciful enough to give him bail the first round, and he was released from Wandsworth Prison in London, however this will not happen a second time.
Mr Assange said after being granted bail by the British Courts in 2010: "It's great to feel the fresh air of London again."He went on to thank "all the people around the world who had faith" in him, his lawyers for putting up a "brave and ultimately successful fight", people who provided money in the face of "great difficulty and aversion", members of the press and the British justice system.
I would suggest if he pays back the £12 million to the taxpayer and the taxpayers Court costs then the warrant should be dropped, but only under such circumstances.
Why doesn't he just stop being such a big baby and face the music if he wants out so bad?
Hiding like a little child is ridiculous and makes him look like the cowardly fake 'freedom-fighter' he is.
If the British arrest him, they will honor the United States' request for an extradition. Once here, Assange faces 40 years to life for espionage, with massive proof of his guilt all ready to go to court.
Scotland Yard can hold Assange for at least 30 days once he's arrested, but it would only take the Federal Marshal's Service only a few to go get him and bring him back here. Once here, he has no lawyer, no connections to speak of, and knows very few people.
So naturally, Assange will try anything he can to keep from being arrested in London. Remember that he is Australian, so he doesn't have the same rights as an American citizen once arrested.
The reason why Assange ended up in the Ecuadoran Embassy in the first place was because he was trying to flee to Sweden. Sweden is reluctant to extradite anyone, because it is a neutral nation.
But Assange had an outstanding warrant on him there for forcible sexual abuse that was old. So when the charges were discovered, Sweden issued an extradition request to Britain. So, suddenly, there were 2 fugitive warrants out on him, one from the U.S. and the other from Sweden.
Assange was just passing through London on his way to Stockholm, on the run. He never expected to stay there at all, as he was just waiting at the airport for his flight to come in. Once he left the airport, he had no way to get out of the country.
The Ecuadorian Embassy twas the only place that would give him sanctuary at the time; Assange was riding around London in a cab, desperately calling anywhere he could think of to give him shelter.
At one time, Iceland was willing to take him, but going there required leaving the Embassy and going back to the airport to fly there. Once outside the Embassy, Scotland Yard would arrest him on either or both of the fugitive warrants.
All this happened 5 years ago. Eventually, Sweden dropped its charges, but will extradite him to the U.S. if he goes there. Iceland let their offer of sanctuary drop years ago. If he goes back to Australia, they will arrest him on some charges there, and he will either go to jail there or will be sent here.
Anonymous, the internet group he started, has fallen apart years ago. Because all the members didn't know each other (hence their group's name), any member who tried to help Assange would be outed, and they could face espionage charges along with him, so he's getting no help from them.
There is no escape for him. He's been trapped in the Embassy ever since, and the Ecuadorans put a time limit on his sanctuary when they took him in. That time limit is now running out very fast.
So there are only 2 ways Assange can escape justice here. One is to allow himself to be arrested by the British and plead his case for mercy from them in their courts, and the other is to try to slip out of the Embassy and become a fugitive. On an island he doesn't know, with no passports or visas, no ID, and with no one to shelter him.
The worst scenario Assange faces is capture by the U.S. agents there, once he leaves the Embassy gates. he could go straight to Guantanamo and be held there.
There are prisoners in Guantanamo who have been awaiting a decision on their fate who have been held for 19 years now. And counting. Assange could be held for just as long, or longer.
Guantanamo is not American soil. The United States as an ancient lease with Cuba for the place, so prisoners there do not have the same legal protection, the same legal rights, nor the same civil guarantees they would have on American soil. And they cannot seek support from the Cubans, because it's not their business.
Guantanamo is also governed by the U.S. Military Court System, which has it's own set of laws, rules, and restrictions. Once in Guantanamo, Assange could be tried in a military tribunal. And then sent to a military prison, where the rights of appeal, probation, and length of sentence are all different from our civilian courts.
Given all this, its easy to understand why Assange is so desperate and so unwilling to leave the Embassy. "Facing the music" means most of his life in prison, no matter where he tries to do or what he tries to do. Possibly in Cuba.
Russia will take that little basement dwelling urchin in, after all, he was their conduit to feed fabricated information into our country. Trump will probably go and visit him at the Kremlin and give him a medal of honor.
Russia will take that little basement dwelling urchin in, after all, he was their conduit to feed fabricated information into our country. Trump will probably go and visit him at the Kremlin and give him a medal of honor.
Worse, Assange was a 2-way spigot. Anonymous, his group, was hacking our government computers and Assange was sending the data to Russia, and then Russia was sending back their spin on the data and
Assange folded it back into the hacks.
So the Russians knew what was actually going on, while the American press and public got what the Russians wanted them to think was going on.
Even worse, the Russians are still at it, and getter better day by day. The Assange hacks showed them just how effective it is for them to feed fake news into our system via the internet.
It's pretty simple; the more divided we are, the weaker we are. The more distracted we are, too.
Putin wants to re-build the old Soviet empire without using Communism and force to hold it together. Communism as a way of government doesn't work and never did. Putin say that first hand as an insider during the Soviet collapse.
What he intends is to rebuild with a simpler, more direct dictatorship instead of trying to use all the social class crap that tangled up the Communists. He wants to use capitalism as his enforcer, not goon squads.
And he wants to replace America's domination in the international business community with Russian dominance.
It makes sense. It's better to rule with money than bullets. It's better to win with economic power than with warfare.
But winning without war is tricky business when it comes to weakening the other side. Putin saw firsthand that, when the chips were down, tanks and troops didn't keep the Soviet empire together. He's been working on the other way to do it for a long time now; he began planning when he was in Gorbachov's circle, found his opening when Gorbachov was followed by a drunk with a bad heart, and has held all the cards ever since Boris Yeltsin died.
Since he holds all the cards, he can stack the deck. He serves a term as President, then uses one of his people to replace him, but that person is only a figurehead. Then, when he can, he takes over the Presidency again.
Putin can do this for the rest of his life if he wants. Or until the Russians have have enough of it. But as long as Putin keeps the money flowing in, the Russians are fine with him in control.
His only problem, the United States, isn't so much of a problem when we are fighting among ourselves.
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Not surrendering to bail carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison in the UK, although Assange might get a lesser sentence.
The US can during this apply for extradition from the UK and having not surrended to bail in the past, Assange would be remanded in custody this time until the Courts decide on the extradition and his Lawyers would no doubt argue numerous points in relation to the Human Rights Act. In terms of Assange's rights, he would be afforded the same rights as anyone else including protection under the Human Rights Act 1998 and European Convention on Human Rights.
As for going on the run, I suspect his best bet would be to go somewhere where extradition treaties don't apply, such as parts of South America or parts of Africa, or even Russia, where he could join up with fellow fugitive Edward Snowden.
I don't know where Assange is, but you are wrong, there is good reason to contest this arrest warrant in the UK.
Assange wants to be cleared, and allowed to travel freely, he should contest the arrest warrant.
He would have to go on trial to be "cleared" and he knows there is enough evidence to convict--
Plus his negative reputation would be no help
I think Assange is STILL in the embassy-and while he might have citizenship he doesn't have diplomatic status
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