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When will "people" be blamed for their actions instead of an item or drink (alcohol) while millions of people can act normal!
Just because some people who can't act responsible and their family and/or friends are unable to see the signs or ignore to see the signs, means that millions have to change their "GOOD" behavior!
I have seen post on Facebook from people who are ex addicts of alcohol/drug abuse and now want others to give up guns!
Even people saying the age has to be increased from 18 to 21 which ruins careers of young brace people who want to go into the military or the police academy and in that case have to wait until they are 21!
All of the posts of that kind are of lefties who had hoped to get free medical under Obamacare and not getting that. One person I know makes $65,000 and never signed up for health insurance because the penalty and cheating the health department by only showing a w2 instead of the additional 1099 which together would make the person ineligible to get low cost Carr that is meant for other people, and that person blames guns!
Due to prior addiction the person most likely has lots of health issues as fatty liver, diabetes and had domestic violence issues with people in the past. Due to domestic violence issues the person was not allowed to obtain a gun permit in Florida. It seems the system worked for that case. But the same person is blaming the gun and not the missed FBI tip, mental care lack of reporting, etc.
Why is it that lefties can't see real issue.
I brought up that just this week again two teachers in the area are arrested for child porn and/or other sexual related crimes and it seems kids have a higher chance of becoming a victim of these predators than of gun violence. But still the post about the guns go on and on and meanwhile kids are at higher danger of sexual predators in school and outside of school and hardly anyone seems to care.
Thought it was a silly thread based on a false premise. Who blames the alcohol over the driver? Not the cop. He throws you in jail not the liquor. Not the judge. He convicts you not the distiller.
There is no pro-DUI group running around protesting for the rights of people to drive drunk.
Thought it was a silly thread based on a false premise. Who blames the alcohol over the driver? Not the cop. He throws you in jail not the liquor. Not the judge. He convicts you not the distiller.
There is no pro-DUI group running around protesting for the rights of people to drive drunk.
But when people talk about regulating guns due to mass shootings, they are doing this very thing?? Its strange they do not use the same logic when the issue is DUIs...target what enabled the person to get drunk in the first place, if guns are held responsible for mass shootings, alcohol must also be held responsible for DUIs.
When will "people" be blamed for their actions instead of an item or drink (alcohol) while millions of people can act normal!
Just because some people who can't act responsible and their family and/or friends are unable to see the signs or ignore to see the signs, means that millions have to change their "GOOD" behavior!
I have seen post on Facebook from people who are ex addicts of alcohol/drug abuse and now want others to give up guns!
Even people saying the age has to be increased from 18 to 21 which ruins careers of young brace people who want to go into the military or the police academy and in that case have to wait until they are 21!
All of the posts of that kind are of lefties who had hoped to get free medical under Obamacare and not getting that. One person I know makes $65,000 and never signed up for health insurance because the penalty and cheating the health department by only showing a w2 instead of the additional 1099 which together would make the person ineligible to get low cost Carr that is meant for other people, and that person blames guns!
Due to prior addiction the person most likely has lots of health issues as fatty liver, diabetes and had domestic violence issues with people in the past. Due to domestic violence issues the person was not allowed to obtain a gun permit in Florida. It seems the system worked for that case. But the same person is blaming the gun and not the missed FBI tip, mental care lack of reporting, etc.
Why is it that lefties can't see real issue.
I brought up that just this week again two teachers in the area are arrested for child porn and/or other sexual related crimes and it seems kids have a higher chance of becoming a victim of these predators than of gun violence. But still the post about the guns go on and on and meanwhile kids are at higher danger of sexual predators in school and outside of school and hardly anyone seems to care.
It is a media circus!
Accountability has fingers pointing at it as the cause.
Thought it was a silly thread based on a false premise. Who blames the alcohol over the driver? Not the cop. He throws you in jail not the liquor. Not the judge. He convicts you not the distiller.
There is no pro-DUI group running around protesting for the rights of people to drive drunk.
Actually, the server can be fined, held partially accountable (up to manslaughter, at least), and businesses that serve illegally can lose their license to serve. The stronger enformement on ALL ends of the equation has led to a significant reduction in drunk driving fatalities.
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Originally Posted by rstevens62
But when people talk about regulating guns due to mass shootings, they are doing this very thing?? Its strange they do not use the same logic when the issue is DUIs...target what enabled the person to get drunk in the first place, if guns are held responsible for mass shootings, alcohol must also be held responsible for DUIs.
The same logic certainly applies. First and foremost, I agree, blame the perpetrator of the crime first.
But using the Alcohol analogy, our society has realized that even though there are millions of responsible drinkers, some people certainly have a problem with alcohol. Never, EVER make personal responsibility anything but the first, most important point, but do acknowledge the obvious.
Alcohol is controlled, driving privileges are tied to it (irresponsible use can cause revocation), there are restrictions on where and when it can be sold, age limits, and there are strong awareness and educational campaigns going on to help solve the problem.
Alcohol prohibition did not work, but advances in the last 40 years to control access have absolutely resulted in reduced deaths. Why not, as you suggest, use these successes to find a way to uphold the 2A and reduce deaths by firearms. Why would anyone be against that?
If the NRA ran the alcohol industry, you'd have shots of everclear available at McDonalds Drivethroughs on interestate rest-stops.
Again, not advocating a ban, i am advocating personal responsibility and understanding the bigger picture.
But when people talk about regulating guns due to mass shootings, they are doing this very thing?? Its strange they do not use the same logic when the issue is DUIs...target what enabled the person to get drunk in the first place, if guns are held responsible for mass shootings, alcohol must also be held responsible for DUIs.
Yep, and those dry counties don't have DUIs....oh wait.
But when people talk about regulating guns due to mass shootings, they are doing this very thing?? Its strange they do not use the same logic when the issue is DUIs...target what enabled the person to get drunk in the first place, if guns are held responsible for mass shootings, alcohol must also be held responsible for DUIs.
you are assuming the gun grabbers have logic when they mostly dont.
Wonder why we have laws against illegal drug use. Why are we blaming heroin instead of the user?
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