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I find it amusing that anyone would seriously believe that these jobs will ever make me back to the states.
It's not going to happen these businesses won't give up their huge profits they are making and the taxes they are saving to pay MORE money to American workers and have to pay higher taxes.
Good luck with that.
I find it amusing that anyone would seriously believe that these jobs will ever make me back to the states.
It's not going to happen these businesses won't give up their huge profits they are making and the taxes they are saving to pay MORE money to American workers and have to pay higher taxes.
Good luck with that.
Germany & Japan, of course, prove you 100% wrong. They also protect their workers from unfair trade deals too.
If you pay people $20-30 an hour to make shoes they will either have to raise prices or the owners will make less profit. The idea that you could simply bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and pay people high wages with zero impact on prices or profits is ridiculous. Not to mention asking every American to spend more of their hard earned money so a few chosen Americans can have the high paying jobs they believe they are entitled to is crazy. Why should I spend one penny more on the products I buy just so some high school dropout in Possum Holler can afford a bass boat?
You can move the production into a low COL area, pay $17 an hour and that would be pretty darn decent pay.
IT, health care, accounting/finance, engineering, STEM fields, teaching
We have covered this many times. Those jobs are available on a very limited basis and if you have 500 people applying for 25 jobs, the scale of pay drops drastically.
I find it amusing that anyone would seriously believe that these jobs will ever make me back to the states.
It's not going to happen these businesses won't give up their huge profits they are making and the taxes they are saving to pay MORE money to American workers and have to pay higher taxes.
Good luck with that.
That's fine. The discussion about what we do about 190 million people that can't find a job will be a fun one. You either pay people to work or not to work.
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If you pay people $20-30 an hour to make shoes they will either have to raise prices or the owners will make less profit. The idea that you could simply bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and pay people high wages with zero impact on prices or profits is ridiculous. Not to mention asking every American to spend more of their hard earned money so a few chosen Americans can have the high paying jobs they believe they are entitled to is crazy. Why should I spend one penny more on the products I buy just so some high school dropout in Possum Holler can afford a bass boat?
Actually the issue is whether that person has food to eat or whether you have to feed him/her yourself.
If Americans began to think of themselves as more of a collective where everything they do impacts society as a whole they might change behaviors and employment would be more stable.
There is a price to do this. We all end up working with full employment as a goal and refuse to accept goods made by automation in the interest of providing work as one of the basic human rights that improves society.
I am not saying the right for all to sit at desks and play computer games.
Rather it is the right to literally reap wheat by hand because it makes society healthy.
Have you ever seen how healthy and happy farming communities are?
The sad sad farming community is the one destroyed by fertilizer, pesticides, with no jobs available owing to giant combines. The farmer is yoked into paying off equipment costing hundreds of thousands. The only happy person is the lender who takes the farm when the farm fails.
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Germany & Japan, of course, prove you 100% wrong. They also protect their workers from unfair trade deals too.
Japan is a great place to study.
Consumers pay extremely high prices for food that is grown within Japan using highly labor intensive methods on small plots of land.
Japan manufacturers believe far more in a commitment to employ a person for life.
Japan.."social group has been organized on the basis of the "life-time employment system"
Cite:
Japanese Culture and Behavior: Selected Readings
In the US employers are rewarded for unemploying their workers.
Had employers been forced to retain workers they would have retrained them and branched out to other industries.
Take steel as an example: US Steel firms just sacked 90% of there workers and devasted steel towns. Japanese steel firms had to keep their workers and so despite the same automation had to give them new assignments.
So what does a steel firm do with 90% unneeded workers. Proof?
Anthony D'Costa*·*2013 · Business & Economics
... undertaken by the Japanese steel industry has been investments in non-steel sectors. Unlike some of the US firms, Japanese companies branched out into areas in which....
Consider Mitsubishi. When they had to layoff steel workers because of automation, they in turn built car manufacturing plants to employ workers and use the steel their efficient plants made.
The American model simply unemployed the steel workers, they could no longer afford cars, and the gain in steel efficiency was offset by a loss of workers.
There are high paying jobs in manufacturing. You don't just walk in the door and get one though. First, you must acquire some form of skill or knowledge base that is WORTH paying more for. That requires work and effort, for a significant period of time, with no guaranteed outcome. There are no free rides in manufacturing, and sometimes, even the good workers and business folks get burned. I can understand why America let the Chinese have it.
But the US must preserve it's manufacturing ability. Look back at WW2 for the reason why.
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