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View Poll Results: Other than the shooter, who do you think is most responsible for the tragedy
Youtube, for deleting the warning comments of someone on the video 1 0.71%
The FBI 19 13.57%
The sheriff and his deputies 19 13.57%
The NRA 21 15.00%
Donald Trump 1 0.71%
The Second Amendment 6 4.29%
The FBI AND the sheriff and deputies and maybe Youtube too 51 36.43%
Other 22 15.71%
Voters: 140. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-14-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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And what happens is we do nothing!

See you back here in another week or so when the next mass shooting occurs. And we can do nothing! after that one, too.

Oh, except pray. Because that is just so helpful.

No other country in the world has gun violence the way the U.S. does. They obviously know something we don't. Probably because they don't glorify guns and put the rights of gun owners above everyone else. The 2nd Amendment is worshiped more than God in this country.

Here it comes. The hand-wringing, emotional Do SOMETHING!

Get specific. What do YOU want to do?

One thing is certain: that will NEVER be me. You can make book on that.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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TRANSLATION: You've made a good and valid point, one I can't refute.
Did you miss the refuting part of the post?
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:56 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Armed guards at schools.
Could have a positive result.

Some years ago, a guy who shot up a Jewish Community Center near Los Angeles drove from plac o place looking for a location where he could shoot people. At the first two possible places he saw, he noticed they had armed guards... so he didn't stop. He drove on, still looking. Only when he finally found the JCC and saw they did not have guards, did he get out and start shooting.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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That is only one part of the issue. Other countries have unhappy children. I don't think teenagers are so different in most of the world.

Having guns so easily accessible is an issue.
I do not believe guns should be so easily accessible. I also would like to see stats from other countries like how many one parent households, religion in family (I am Jewish and not very religious), hours kids are indoors playing video games, family’s on state aid etc.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Such behavior and attitude towards other human beings surely serve you, and our society, well.
Nope, just being honest. You blame the gun, I blame the person, if you are gonna kill, you are gonna kill....period, yes?

You thinking that more laws will work, I Don't....
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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Beyond creepy.

My money is on the students. Having said this, imagine if this was you and had nothing to do with it.

What is he referring to?
https://twitter.com/WeWuzMetokur/sta...80237112201217

Thank goodness for social media and free expression , huh?
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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And when someone kills with a knife would you take everyone's knife?

When someone's bludgeoned with a hammer would you take everyone's hammer?

When someone drives a truck into a crowd would you take everyone's truck?

They're only tools designed to do different jobs, why should everyone who uses them properly, whatever that use may be, be punished?
To point out the obvious...Guns were invented to kill people. Try again.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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You conveniently overlook the self-defense purpose. Or would you have us believe if someone breaks into your house threatening your life they shouldn't be killed?





Well, if 50 is the threshold I guess you can't blame today's tragedy on guns because less than that number were killed, right?
Stats prove that you are more likely to be injured by your own gun in that case...or your children. To have a gun for defence in the home, it has to be at the ready. Meaning, unlocked, easily accessible and hopefully loaded.

There is no threshold. I was using ONE example of many.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:57 PM
 
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He’s been identified as 19-year-old Nicolas Cruz.

Jim Gard, a teacher at the school, told CBS4 news partner The Miami Herald they had problems with Cruz last year and he was asked to leave the campus. He seemed to recall an email sent out earlier warning teachers that Cruz had made some threats and wasn’t allowed on the campus with a backpack.


High School Gunman Identified As Former Student « CBS Miami

the school teacher said cruz "wasn't allowed on the campus", so why was he allowed on campus?
He didn't have a backpack?

How about once someone makes threats they are banned from the property permanently.
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Old 02-14-2018, 03:58 PM
 
Location: In a George Strait Song
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That is only one part of the issue. Other countries have unhappy children. I don't think teenagers are so different in most of the world.

Having guns so easily accessible is an issue.
Other countries have more homogenous populations....maybe this has effect on bullying?

Also children in other countries are not being given the same kinds of medications American children are being prescribed.

This article describes how treatment, nutrition, and parenting all lead to a very different approach in France. It's from "Psychology Today", entitled "Why French Kids Don't Have ADHD".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psy...ave-adhd%3famp
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