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Old 02-17-2018, 07:59 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Suspiciously your history lessons omit the aggressions of the sanctioned countries which actually led to the sanctions in the first place. The United States enacted sanctions on Japan because Japan declared war on China, invaded Manchuria, Northern China, French Indochina, etc..., committed the Nanking massacre, and became a signatory to the Berlin pact. The United States was not obligated to continue to provide Japan with oil and metals exports while it attacked allies in East Asia and threatened to conquer all of China while maintaining a military alliance with the axis powers. Furthermore the embargo only affected Japan's ambitions of expansionism which had they relinquished would've ended the embargo.

If I commit a crime against a grocery store, it has every right to deny me service. If Russia doesn't like it, shop elsewhere... and stop committing crimes.

In the case of Japan, they did go shop elsewhere. That is what caused the sanctions on oil in the first place.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Guess you have not come to the full understanding why, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. US Sanctions.

The Russians have no Sanctions on us.
Sanctions are an act of war. Let the collective surround your house and not let you go to the grocery store for a year. I bet you are bullied into seeing things their way too.

Sanctions are a bully tactic, when your words have no truth.
You probably should pull out a history book and find out why Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. What you are calling sanctions was actually an embargo and the embargo was to prevent Japan from getting the aviation fuel they needed to invade Burma, Malaya, the East Indies, and the Philippines. The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor because they feared that the US would use the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor to interfere with the invasions.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Gaston, South Carolina
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Do you Dems understand that Russian "collusion" is over and we are fully vindicated?
The OP should have come with it's own 1970s-era TV sitcom laugh track.

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Old 02-17-2018, 08:02 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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As opposed to thread after thread of accusing Trump being a Russian stooge...
Yeah, but he IS a stooge ... even if he's not a Russian stooge he belongs right there on stage with Larry, Mo, and Curly.

(But he IS a Russian stooge too ... even if he refuses to recognize they've been in his shorts for years.)
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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You posted a link to it and didn't know it.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/polit...als/index.html
I just did a word search for Charlottesville nothing. There were two matches for Virginia, neither of which referred to the Charlottesville incident. How bout a page and paragraph number since you seem to see something there that no one else can find?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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In the case of Japan, they did go shop elsewhere. That is what caused the sanctions on oil in the first place.
Even accounting for the oil they seized from the territories they conquered, Japan still relied mostly on U.S. oil exports. Even if that weren't the case, what strategic sense does it make to stop selling oil to a country altogether because they're importing less of your oil?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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If you saw March for Trump.. what Page?
If it were a snake it would have bitten you.
Page 21, item 54 is the first referrence I saw.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:10 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Guess you have not come to the full understanding why, Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. US Sanctions.

The Russians have no Sanctions on us.
Sanctions are an act of war. Let the collective surround your house and not let you go to the grocery store for a year. I bet you are bullied into seeing things their way too.

Sanctions are a bully tactic, when your words have no truth.
Well now, actually, they are quite a good tactic when your words DO have truth as well ... eh?
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Assuming the allegations in the indictment are true, and there is little reason to doubt they are, there is no doubt that the Russians are conducting a cyber war against America. The saddest part is that many morons are not only unwilling to acknowledge that fact, but are willing to assist by posting their ignorance.
Many thanks. I know just enough about law to get in trouble. When I run out of intuition, I have to ask.

I owe you a favor.
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Old 02-17-2018, 08:16 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Suspiciously your history lessons omit the aggressions of the sanctioned countries which actually led to the sanctions in the first place. The United States enacted sanctions on Japan because Japan declared war on China, invaded Manchuria, Northern China, French Indochina, etc..., committed the Nanking massacre, and became a signatory to the Berlin pact. The United States was not obligated to continue to provide Japan with oil and metals exports while it attacked allies in East Asia and threatened to conquer all of China while maintaining a military alliance with the axis powers. Furthermore the embargo only affected Japan's ambitions of expansionism which had they relinquished would've ended the embargo.

If I commit a crime against a grocery store, it has every right to deny me service. If Russia doesn't like it, shop elsewhere... and stop committing crimes.
Uh oh ... somebody knows their history ... that's likely to ruin an entertaining thread ...
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