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Old 02-28-2018, 05:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by Avondalist View Post
It's not that complicated why the left is going bonkers now, and steadily losing power.

Since the collapse of the USSR the left has lost faith in its own redistributive policies. The centrist Democrats no longer believe that the working class is capable of overcoming the bourgeoisie in a democracy. They were able to sustain themselves for a short while with "third way" policies, but those came to an end during the financial crisis when many European social welfare states, and some US "blue" states were revealed to be bankrupt in all but name. The communists were overthrown, and the socialists have run out of other people's money.

Since 1991 global politics has been a mopping-up operation of the collectivist holdouts. That process is nearing completion and the 60s generation leftist vanguard is freaking out that the end is nigh.

Out of desperation they launched a hair-brained scheme to flood Europe and North America with migrants from poor countries, seeing these migrants as a replacement for the working class that either got wise to the leftist racket or gave up on class solidarity.

That scheme has been foiled, and there will be hell to pay when its ill effects are finally unraveled. The almost complete collapse of the European center left is the first taste of the reckoning the left will face in Europe and North America.
Really? Trump’s rhetoric on economic issues was actually to the left of Hillary’s. And it’s not like the the Right is having much success on social issues: gay marriage is now legal, and religion is steadily losing ground. So I wouldn’t count on the Left going away anytime soon.

Here’s something that will make you sleep better at night: in reality, both parties are pro-corporate, pro-capitalist, and anti-worker. Even though both parties are working against the interests of ordinary Americans, ordinary Americans still vote for them. The Democrats get elected by promising to protect women and minorities from the Evil Privileged White Males that are (supposedly) ruining their lives. The Republicans get elected by promising to protect white males from the uppity women and minorities that are (supposedly) ruining their lives.

Don’t worry. Ultra-Wealthy capitalists are still running the show, and the workers are still voting against their own interests.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:13 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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The left is becoming more extreme, and has lost massive power in the US since 2010. This was because the left practiced a deceptive strategy, pretending to be centrist starting with Clinton and then tacking hard left during the Obama supermajority. The public caught on, and doesn't like being deceived.

If immigration is reduced, the "demographics is destiny" argument falls apart. I'd like you to keep believing that demographics is destiny, though, since you will keep your guard down as in 2016.

Even if immigration policy remains unchanged, whites are already beginning to vote as an identity bloc, one that will be a majority of the electorate for quite some time.

The reckoning is farther along in Europe, where the center left is spent as a political force. There are some polls in Germany that have the AfD with more support than the SPD, the oldest social democratic party in the world.

Regarding the age of supporters, the generation coming after the millennials is much more conservative. Additionally with declining birthrates politics becomes more dominated by seniors.
Good God. There was absolutely NOTHING 'hard left' about Obama.

He was a very good friend to Wall Street.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:48 PM
 
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The left is becoming more extreme, and has lost massive power in the US since 2010. This was because the left practiced a deceptive strategy, pretending to be centrist starting with Clinton and then tacking hard left during the Obama supermajority. The public caught on, and doesn't like being deceived.

If immigration is reduced, the "demographics is destiny" argument falls apart. . I'd like you to keep believing that demographics is destiny, though, since you will keep your guard down as in 2016.
No it doesn’t. Whether Trump’s policies are adopted or not will change the date that America becomes minority-majority by up to five years, but will not prevent it from ultimately happening. Unless you think you’re going to somehow disenfranchise native borns, that’s already baked into the demographic cake. Anything done now just nibbles around the edges.

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The Census Bureau projects that minority groups will outnumber non-Hispanic whites in the United States in 2044. The Post's analysis projects that, were Trump's plan to be carried out, the date would be between 2045 and 2049, depending on how parts of it are implemented.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.ae99b5ff1f13

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Even if immigration policy remains unchanged, whites are already beginning to vote as an identity bloc, one that will be a majority of the electorate for quite some time.
With the passage of every POTUS year, on average the white non-college vote (R+ 37% in 2016) decreases by 3% nationally, while the white college vote (R+3% in 2016) increases by 1% and the minority vote (D+53%) increases by 2%. The most reliably Republican part of the vote is the part of the vote that is shrinking. The percentage of total votes cast by minorities will continue to rise just due to the number of minorities reaching voting age with each year.

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The reckoning is farther along in Europe, where the center left is spent as a political force. There are some polls in Germany that have the AfD with more support than the SPD, the oldest social democratic party in the world.

Regarding the age of supporters, the generation coming after the millennials is much more conservative.. Additionally with declining birthrates politics becomes more dominated by seniors.
It’s too early to get a definitive read on the post-millennials but the early finding indicate that they are more liberal than the millennials rather than less. Neither party has a lock on the future, but eventually we’ll reach the point where just depending on white backlash will no longer work mathematically in national elections.

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From the linked analysis from Brookings, released just yesterday.

The political leanings of post-millennials themselves favor the Democrats. A 2017 survey undertaken by PRRI indicated that 57 percent of persons age 15-24 (including older post-millennials and the youngest millennials) have favorable views of the Democratic Party compared with 31 percent of Republicans. Yet, among minorities of these young people, favorable views of the Democratic Party are much higher: 84 percent for blacks, 76 percent for Asians and 64 percent for Hispanics. White young people are more evenly divided with 46 percent favoring the Democratic Party and 43 percent favoring the Republican Party.

This strength of Democratic support among minorities is significant in light of the way minority percentages of the post-millennial population vary across states (see Map 1). Minorities comprise more than half of post-millennials living in 13 states plus Washington D.C.; and more than 40 percent in an additional 11 states. Among these heavily minority post-millennial states are the presidential election swing states of Nevada, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia and the near swing state of Texas. Clearly, strong activism among post-millennials can be important in both near and long-term elections .
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-a...mpression=true

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Old 02-28-2018, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Austin
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If democrats take over both houses of congress in the midterms, I won't vote or care about voting thereafter. i'm gonna get my social security and medicare benefits, eventually, and won't fight the majority's desire for America's future. the left offers a dismal future, but the future isn't up to me.

my kids are grown and can take care of themselves. I have no worries about them.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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See ya in November.
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I doubt many on the left here will actually read the entire article... just as not many leftist politicians will heed these kinds of warnings.

So, off the next cliff they go! Ha
Despite your belief, the Democrats seem to be doing pretty well. Another sate seat was flipped today.

That makes 40 so far in the various state special elections. The Republicans have lost far more than they have kept. With no national support or attention at all, except in a couple of them. Alabama was not the only exception at all this winter. The 40th was only one of 3 seats the Democrats picked up this week.

It could well be another 2010 this year, except in reverse.

The Teabaggers had no coherent policies, no central organization, no particular lead spokesperson. All they had was lots of motivation.

Nothing much at all, except for a shared dislike of Obama, but they managed to take over the House in 2010 on that alone.

And Obama won 2008 by a wider margin than Trump's win in 2016.

Just running on Anybody but Trump could be more than sufficient to flip the House in this election. There's a ton of motivation to go vote Anybody but Trump this year.

If it worked for the Republicans, there's nothing to say it won't work for the Democrats.

The cliff is there, but don't be so sure it will be the Democrats flying over it come November.

Your problem will be stopping Trump from helping push the Republicans over the cliff. Good luck on that one.
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: in a pond with the other human scum
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Conrad Black -- a Canadian -- imagine that -- lololol.

For those interested in Conrad Black.....https://ipolitics.ca/2018/01/18/conr...ego-whisperer/

IT IS CONRAD --- not CONRAN --
A Canadian, true, but also a guest of the US Bureau of Prisons for his felony fraud conviction. Yeah, I'm sure he's an absolute fountain of wisdom.
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Old 02-09-2024, 01:10 PM
 
Location: NH
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It's not the number of parties, but the failure to keep the ignorant and irresponsible out of voting booths which is the root cause of the problem. And it has never been more apparent that this is a central component of the strategy of the worshipers of the Braying Jackass.
Totally agree with the "ignorant and irresponsible" remark. Unfortunately, in a democratic republic such as ours, any such prohibitions would be deemed racist or sexist or other.

We've reached the tipping point my friend. Over half the people that vote are on some form of government assistance, or so I'm told. Just had a conversation with my 14 year old daughter about this and asked her "would anyone vote against their own self interest to have aid taken away?" No, they wouldn't.

It's been a decades long run to ruin now. All we can do is prepare for the worst and take care of our families as best we can. Neither you nor I will affect the outcome
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Old 02-09-2024, 05:19 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Their were 3 state special elections last night. Dems. won 2 out of 3. In the one they lost (Solid Republican) they cut the margin.

No, I think there will be some serious change coming.
Nobody votes in special elections except the lunatics, and Democrats have far more lunatics. When more people vote, Democrats lose.
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Old 02-09-2024, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Don’t forget that approximately half the population of the country supports these idiots. They are not going away.
See Detroit...sunk to the abyss by Dem policies that killed the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs (auto industry), & still support a Dem Mayor who has been in office since 2014.

Detroit's a shell of its former self, w/ ~1/3rd the population it had at its peak, and they still vote Democrat.

An isolated example you say? See Cleveland, or Newark. They'll all vote Dem until there's nobody left.

Now, San Fran's sinking, Philly, Baltimore, DC, LA, Chicago, NYC, Oakland, Seattle, Portland, all slowly sinking.

Its takes decades for people to wise up, & leave the Dems sinking ships (big cities). Most never leave, & never see the cause of the decay.

Liberlism is like a slow moving cancer. It moves so slowly, most don't even notice it, but then people start dying.

Its a sad waste of human capital, but I've learned they're hopeless. I saw it in Brooklyn, Detroit, St Louis, & it was starting in Atlanta, when I left.

I have a 6th sense....I see dead cities...they talk to me...they tell me to leave.
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