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Can you show me an example of a successful society that ever existed without a state? I suppose a hunter gatherer society could count but thats setting the bar quite low...
I have a few problems with this, but I'll keep it to two points...
1. You changed the subject and didn't address what I said, so I'll assume you now agree that taxation is a violation of our rights.
2. There have been stateless/voluntary societies, but even ignoring that, it's not any kind of argument against it. You couldn't point to a society without slavery 200 years ago either. All you need is enough people to adopt the idea and enforce it defensively.
I have a few problems with this, but I'll keep it to two points...
1. You changed the subject and didn't address what I said, so I'll assume you now agree that taxation is a violation of our rights.
I do not believe taxation is in any way a violation of your rights. Go live in the woods and grow all your own food if you believe that to be the case.
2. There have been stateless/voluntary societies, but even ignoring that, it's not any kind of argument against it.
I disagree with that as well its an excellent argument against it if these societies are so superior they should be the norm. You actually sound like radical communists claiming that true communism has never been implemented.
I do not believe taxation is in any way a violation of your rights. Go live in the woods and grow all your own food if you believe that to be the case.
You don't have a response. Fine.
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I disagree with that as well its an excellent argument against it if these societies are so superior they should be the norm. You actually sound like radical communists claiming that true communism has never been implemented.
Same applied to slavery in 1800, right? "If freeing the slaves is so superior, it should be the norm, but it isn't."
You left out cult of personality-ist, which is what most people really are and became since the early 20th century. Until that changes and people wise up none of those labels will matter and the downward spiral will continue. Unprincipled people who don't know who they are or what they want will always get taken advantage of by rent seekers and gold diggers. This is why progressive politics are failing the people who think they need them most. Either that or these same people are just really crafty or dishonest.
I prefer to think that the people that progressive politics are failing who need them the most are just unaware that they are being taken advantage of instead of believing that they are lazy and dishonest.
It's interesting that I am labeled out of hand here on CD as a "right winger." That is based on my firearms rights stance and nothing more. Other hot bed issues that identify people with a particular spectrum I tend not to comment on.
However, I pretty much walk down the middle of the road. But since I believe strongly that a person should be ready, willing and able to do battle in defense of their loved ones and themselves I am labeled "far right." But...it just ain't so....
It's interesting that I am labeled out of hand here on CD as a "right winger." That is based on my firearms rights stance and nothing more. Other hot bed issues that identify people with a particular spectrum I tend not to comment on.
However, I pretty much walk down the middle of the road. But since I believe strongly that a person should be ready, willing and able to do battle in defense of their loved ones and themselves I am labeled "far right." But...it just ain't so....
Here is the thing, people think they can use politics to get the world and country to conform to what the majority of people think is right, through democracy. If the majority people can not conform to other people without the need for the mob to tell them what is right and how to act, how can they expect what the mob majority thinks is best to represent what is best for everybody? It never works over the long term.
The problem is that people think that the country as a whole should conform to what everybody thinks is good in a despotic way, but it is impossible. They disregard the local aspect and plant weak roots and think the President is some type of Savior for the masses.
The U.S. government was not created for people to behave or think this way and thinking this way is why progress is long, slow and an often totally dysfunctional process. It was designed for people to have care and respect for their families, environment, home states and communities and not to wander around the nation aimlessly seeking fame and fortune as the wind blows. It was designed for states to have freedom, liberty and rights within the context of the Constitution. This doesn't mean that they shouldn't ever move, but it means that they shouldn't always think the grass is always going to be greener some place else and react foolishly. This creates a transient apathetic cycle and attitude of people thinking the U.S. is a big state but totally misses the point of if you don't care about where you are coming from then how can you expect to care about where you are going? If the ways of your political thinking brought you discontent, chances are that you will be no more content by moving to another state than by changing your thinking locally and acting accordingly. This behavior only creates the need for people to have bigger rules and nanny state regulations and totally misses the point of how and why the Constitution was written and why the U.S. was founded. When you keep thinking the grass should always be greener instead of using your liberty responsibly and productively then you create a regressive governmental environment. This is what is has happened. Political labels are now practically meaningless.
I am a moderate but the left is so far left into socialist ,communist, marxist, social justice territory they think a moderate is a far right winger.
Your imagination is running away with you ... again.
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