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Old 03-09-2018, 04:29 PM
 
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Trump is walking into a trap, too stupid to realize it, and is way out of his element. This isn't a business deal, this could literally dictate the death or survival of US hegemony for the next century. US voters made their bed, now they have to live with the consequences of electing the most incompetent president in history and watch their children grow up in a world where they'll be taking orders from China.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:31 PM
 
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It's the senior US envoy to N. Korea who retired a week ago; Trump still hasn't appointed an ambassador to S. Korea.

Might be confused with the Ambassador to Panama. He threw in the towel recently. Said he just could no longer serve in Trump's administration.

Panama is one of dozens of countries that don't have a Senate-confirmed US ambassadors.

It's been taking the Senate an average of about 65 days. It was 63 days during the Obama and Bush administrations. But, to be fair, the Senate wasn't also investigating Kremlin cyberattacks on our election either.

The holdup is Trump can't find people to nominate.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:33 PM
 
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Trump is walking into a trap, too stupid to realize it, and is way out of his element. This isn't a business deal, this could literally dictate the death or survival of US hegemony for the next century. US voters made their bed, now they have to live with the consequences of electing the most incompetent president in history and watch their children grow up in a world where they'll be taking orders from China.
Yep.

Trump can visit all he wants. The Chinese President for Life is calling the shots in South Korea.
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Old 03-09-2018, 04:53 PM
 
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Trump is walking into a trap, too stupid to realize it, and is way out of his element.
I'll have to agree with this, even if the State department was fully manned with North Korean experts, Trump as demonstrated time and time again that he ignores their advise. Talks in the works with North Korea for over a year? Hardly, you don't continually insult someone your trying to get to the negotiating table. Here's what happened, the North Korea delegations told Trump that no sitting president has ever met with a North Korean leader, but he has the chance to make history! They appealed to his ego, pure and simple, he is after all a simpleton. North Korea will just make a pitch to inflate Trumps ego and he will agree with almost anything, jsut hope any deal he makes has to be ratified by congress, at least they are not complete morons.
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:08 PM
 
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I thought this was understood, that NK has agreed to no new tests while meeting with Trump. Shrug. I think this may be a restatement of the agreement, but with Trump trying to look tough for his base.

Honestly, I don't care. I can't imagine North Korea making a deal that is workable. We HAD a deal before-they violated it. They've repeatedly demonstrated we cannot trust their word.

Trump is wasting his time. Not because Trump can't make a deal, but because the group on the other side of the deal cannot be trusted to keep their agreement. And I can't see any agreement that would work without that trust.
Victor Cha (the potential S. Korean ambassador who didn't make the cut in part because he opposes a US military strike option) laid out three possible paths:

1. US provides economic assistance and lift the sanctions ... Koreans freeze then promise (sure) eventual dismantlement of nuclear weapons AND the ballistic missile program. (The missile program has never been negotiated.) Cha writes: "Mr. Trump could score a victory given his tweets during the campaign that the North’s ability to target the United States homeland was “never gonna happen” while he was president."

2. Trump goes for a "big bang" ... diplomatic normalization of relations ... even the conclusion of a peace treaty ending the Korean War ... in return for denuclearization. Cha calls this a vanity-play.

Cost of a failure - A formal failed negotiation "at a summit level" makes it hard to back down to gradual diplomacy increasing the chances of a profoundly poor outcome.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/o...mit-korea.html

The poor S. Koreans. They've worked so hard. Chung (the S. Korean NSA) only met with Kim on Monday. Back to S. Korea on Tuesday. Then in Washington by Thursday to first brief WH staff and other officials prior to a formal scheduled meeting with Trump on Friday.

But Trump crashed the Thursday meeting ... and from the write-ups it does sound like the Koreans may not have given the WH a heads-up of the proposed talks but preferred to present in person. Accounts indicate that Trump "heard" the S. Koreans were in the building and came right on down for an account of the Kim meeting. Then said "yes" on the spot. Chung had to call back to Moon to get permission for "his" press conference last night.

Too bad, Tillerson wasn't in Washington last night. Moon should have worked more through Tillerson - but then we don't ... have ... an ... ambassador to South Korea.
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Old 03-09-2018, 05:39 PM
 
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The State Department seemed to lack expertise under both Bush and Obama as well. Dropping bombs in 7 different countries leads me to believe that diplomacy failed.
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Old 03-09-2018, 07:38 PM
 
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Unbelievable - Leftists think North Korea and their Nuclear threats against the USA and the World are some sort of JOKE. How far the Democrats have fallen.

Another thought -

Strange how things work out. President Trump will visit North Korea before he visits England.
Never in a million years would I have guessed that. NOBODY would ever guess that.

Amazing Times we live in ...... if it really happens. IF it does happen, it will be an amazing Precedent.
Rocket Boy and all North Korean Leaders are all about their Stature - negotiations with a plethora of Envoys and substitutes for decades have achieved nothing.

It's certainly a major window that we have never seen before.
Trump will not visit NK. It's already a confusing mess.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:12 PM
 
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Trump will not visit NK. It's already a confusing mess.
He's sure trying to.

This afternoon it looked like the White House was trying to find a way out, when at today's press conference Sanders added "denuclearization" to the list of concrete and verifiable steps that the NK must be taking for the meeting to occur. The press confused, asked for a clarification: talking about denuclearization or actual denuclearization. Sanders doubled down on the denuclearization.

The White House now has clarified. Concrete and verifiable steps applies only to what the NK first proposed (no interim testing, no interference with military field exercises).

South Korea *wanted* engagement but apparently not quite like this.

Maybe it will work out.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:50 PM
 
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It's just grandstanding from Kim. He will smile for photos with the Donald, then demand America pulls out of South Korea, and no more war games off the Korean coast. When Donald says no, he will go back, and carry on polishing his missiles. Total waste of time.
There has never been sanctions this severe before.

Good ahead and doubt him. ISIS is defeated, DACA will be solved when the Dems are ready. The wall is being built and illegal immigration is half what it was.

If Trump solves NK he will go down as one of the great Presidents.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:52 PM
 
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He Had the Treasonous Uncle Killed, but He Forgave the Disloyal Chef
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