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Old 06-16-2014, 03:41 AM
 
Location: North America
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Should we go after all of the world`s dictators or just the ones in oil producing nations?
Bingo.

I asked this to the arm-chair war enthusiasts 10 years ago and only heard crickets as a reply.
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Old 06-16-2014, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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The most tragic statement one can make is that a soldier died in vain. They served their country and did their duty. No more need be said.
Tragic? Yes, but real, and reality is something we need more of.

The death of a soldier in a pointless war, or war of blatant aggression as our war on Iraq was, is pitiful the way deaths in drug overdoses or barroom brawls or drag races are pitiful. They should never ever be glamorized.
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Should we go after all of the world`s dictators or just the ones in oil producing nations?

I think we should help were we can.

Of course each situation is different.
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Old 06-16-2014, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Bingo.

I asked this to the arm-chair war enthusiasts 10 years ago and only heard crickets as a reply.

OK, military action is off the table, so the boy goes in the army, the girl get raped and the reporter has his hands cut off.

Are we still going to buy his oil?

Are we going to trade with nations that sell him the weapons he uses to brutally oppress his own citizens?

Will we count as NATO allies nations that sell him nuclear technology?

And with Iran about to go hot, what do you suppose he would be doing right now?

Not our problem?

Worry about it when it happens?



I prefer to strangle the baby in the crib.

My solution would be a Manhattan Project like effort to end our dependency on Middle Eastern oil since we are selling these people the bullets they'll one day use against us.

The same goes for China.

There is no reason we should be funding our own demise one flat screen at a time.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:14 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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The most tragic statement one can make is that a soldier died in vain. They served their country and did their duty. No more need be said.
Oh, there's a whole bunch that needs to be said about those who are responsible for sending soldiers off on missions of no purpose.

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Old 06-16-2014, 06:51 AM
 
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How would you have liked living in Saddam Hussein's Soviet style police state?

Your son turns 14, someone knocks on the door, tells you he has been selected to serve in the military and you never see him again.

Your daughter catches the eye of Uday Hussein, so he rapes and beats her, but when she comes home bloody and broken, you have no recourse.

If you go after Uday and they'll torture and murder the rest of your family.

As a newspaper reporter, you write a story that doesn't sit well with the government, so they cut off your hands as a warning to your fellow journalists.

No thanks.


So now they are going to have the all-out civil war that's been brewing since forever, OK.

It's easy enough for us to say they were better off living under Saddam's cruel dictatorship than at war with one another, but we have never had to live that way.
But it never changes, they want to live on cavemen days. You get them freedom and they want the rape and torture. They enjoy being the lambs and wolf.

So of they don't want to change, why should we care
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:55 AM
 
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Oh, there's a whole bunch that needs to be said about those who are responsible for sending soldiers off on missions of no purpose.
I agree wholeheartedly with you. My statement was made to be limited to the soldiers that served and did their duty. The politicians who made the case for war on false and misleading evidence are the one's who need to be investigated and punished.
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Old 06-16-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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Ask any Vietnam vet the importance of "winnin" your war. This government will treat the returning Iraq war veterans pretty much the same.
As a Nam vet I know how we were treated. THAT is NOT happening today with returning Iraq vets. Thank GOD!
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Iraq's oil remains in the ground, Saudi oil is selling at record prices, US oil corps have more money than they know what to do with...

Mission Accomplished!
Precisely. And haliburton made a mint blowing the sh*t out of Iraq then building it back up. All the right people made money, so it wasn't in vain.

Every politician who supported the invasion shouldn't ever recieve another vote again.
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Old 06-16-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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As a Nam vet I know how we were treated. THAT is NOT happening today with returning Iraq vets. Thank GOD!
My dad was in Nam. Absolutely disgusting how you guys were treated.
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