Busting another right wing myth: "welfare checks make people lazy" (holidays, Clinton)
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please, stop with the acting. I know many illegals and all they do is try to scam the system to earn U.S. Dollars to send back to their native country because it multiplies. They could care less about our laws and rules. They have been breaking them since they set foot in this country and they have NO loyalty to this country.
I know 5 illegals from Mexico personally that came crashing to their sister's house who is a U.S. Citizen after waiting for years and doing the right thing. They worked under the table illegally, while sending their kids to our public schools and getting dental and medical services and then bailed out back to Mexico leaving her poor sister with the bills and collectors calling her house constantly.
One of those illegals from Mexico told to me in person in Spanish that the U.S. deserved 9/11 for taking things that don't belong to us like they did Mexico. I told her you have some "COJONES" in coming to our country illegally violating our laws and getting all kinds of services for you, your husband and your kids and bailing out and leaving us the bill and bad mouthing us in our own soil. I told her off in Spanish.
if you are illegal then whatever you earn here, keep it here and invest it here in the communities where you live and work, don't send the money back and have your communities looking like cr@p that devalues the property....but most of them don't care. They just want to make American dollars so they can send back and screw their communities, let the American taxpayers pay for that.
Yep, to hell with their wife and children back home. They can eat dirt.
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Originally Posted by Hellion1999
please, stop with the acting. I know many illegals and all they do is try to scam the system to earn U.S. Dollars to send back to their native country because it multiplies. They could care less about our laws and rules. They have been breaking them since they set foot in this country and they have NO loyalty to this country.
I know 5 illegals from Mexico personally that came crashing to their sister's house who is a U.S. Citizen after waiting for years and doing the right thing. They worked under the table illegally, while sending their kids to our public schools and getting dental and medical services and then bailed out back to Mexico leaving her poor sister with the bills and collectors calling her house constantly.
One of those illegals from Mexico told to me in person in Spanish that the U.S. deserved 9/11 for taking things that don't belong to us like they did Mexico. I told her you have some "COJONES" in coming to our country illegally violating our laws and getting all kinds of services for you, your husband and your kids and bailing out and leaving us the bill and bad mouthing us in our own soil. I told her off in Spanish.
if you are illegal then whatever you earn here, keep it here and invest it here in the communities where you live and work, don't send the money back and have your communities looking like cr@p that devalues the property....but most of them don't care. They just want to make American dollars so they can send back and screw their communities, let the American taxpayers pay for that.
What acting? I used to work construction, so a bunch of them were my co-workers
The bottom line with welfare is we've created the problem ourselves. We have a glut of **** jobs in this country and the vast majority of jobs that are available are easily substituted worker wise. There is no pressure for wages to rise. So you end up with these decades long stagnation of wages on the bottom end which tend to cause stagnation above those wages as well and you end up with a higher reliance on government services.
Then you look at goverment services and there are cutoffs that just don't make sense. The people we should be helping the most are the full time workers that can't make it because wages are low. We shouldn't be cutting benefits just as they are approaching full time work, it is stupid.
So what you end up with is this abortion of a system. The system is designed for people to work as little as possible and that is what they do. Corporations benefit because they can pay **** wages and people tend to go along with it because they have this negative view of anyone or any job below theirs as beneath them.
You know something, Canada has a decent minimum wage, doesn't suffer from massive unemployment and has a great safety net.
The problem is we let problems fester for decades. Had we slowly raised the minimum wage over the time we'd be in a better situation now we've created a massive bubbled of low wage jobs and corporations have grown fat on this expectation making it harder to fix the problem.
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^This^
The most intelligent an apt description of the US welfare situation thus far and is congruent with the OP's attempt to elucidate the erroneous and socially displaced perception of the US welfare system.
To castigate people emerging from the depths of historical systematic discrimination and destitution is absolutely despicable.
Additionally, most impoverished people are involuntarily born into that situation and environmental circumstance serves to impede upon their pathway to economic salvation.
We currently have both the power and potential to reverse both the traditional path of poverty experience by so many Americans, as well as their negative image, perceived by so many of the ignorant masses.
We must absolutely reconstruct our educational, health, and welfare systems.
I would suggest the following changes:
(1) Secondary education should become a year long activity. While greater emphasis should be placed upon Mathematics, English (writing), and Science (Inquiry-based)) during the first 9 months of the year. Summer should primarily consist of History (Social Studies) and Sports. History credit hours should also be available and offered online throughout the year.
(2) Future secondary school educators should have access to a "Bachelor of Arts" degree of three years, instead of the traditional four-year degree. This will increase the pool of available qualified teachers in both mathematics and science. If a new teacher finds that secondary education doesn't suit her, she can always return to a university to acquire either a "Bachelor of Science" degree in her specified field, or perhaps pursue a post graduate degree.
(3) All graduating students should do so NOT with a HS diploma, but with an associates degree in some specialized field of endeavor needed by society.
This degree should immediately set a graduate upon the pathway to "gainful" employment.
(4) Once a person has graduated from HS with their AD in hand, they then immediately become eligible for governmental "work crew" status. This will enable them to work for either the government on the county, city, or federal level while applying their acquired skills. Of course, they will be compensated monetarily for their involvement in the "work crew" program. This work crew involvement will continue until some private entity offers the participant a more lucrative position within their company. Thus, no welfare!
(4) Any student who reaches the age of 20 years without acquiring an associates degree will automatically be involuntarily enlisted in the military for a minimum of 2 yrs. Upon completion of their military service, they will also have completed their requirements for an associates degree.
(5) The first four years of post secondary education should be free for all students below a certain level of economic status. Student loans should be prohibited by law. If cannot financially afford a post secondary education, the government make it easily accessible for any qualified applicant. Therefore, any call for reparations is quashed by default.
(6) Everyone should be equally entitled by right, to universal healthcare like all other progressive technologically, socially, and culturally advanced countries.
(7) We need community recreation and childcare centers where children can receive free and proper care and attention while their parents are either at work, or temporarily away from the home. This center will serve as a childcare facility, a sports center, an educational facility, and a social information network. Therefore, any family experiencing signs of dysfunction can be readily intercepted.
(8) Our penal system should become institutions of learning and psychological therapy for those who are truly salvageable and do not pose a risk to society.
(9) We desperately need to address the ongoing problem with taking care of both our physically and mentally disabled citizens.
If we can implement these changes, there will be far fewer negative perceptions of people receiving welfare, because welfare won't even exist!
The most intelligent an apt description of the US welfare situation thus far and is congruent with the OP's attempt to elucidate the erroneous and socially displaced perception of the US welfare system.
To castigate people emerging from the depths of historical systematic discrimination and destitution is absolutely despicable.
Additionally, most impoverished people are involuntarily born into that situation and environmental circumstance serves to impede upon their pathway to economic salvation.
We currently have both the power and potential to reverse both the traditional path of poverty experience by so many Americans, as well as their negative image, perceived by so many of the ignorant masses.
We must absolutely reconstruct our educational, health, and welfare systems.
I would suggest the following changes:
(1) Secondary education should become a year long activity. While greater emphasis should be placed upon Mathematics, English (writing), and Science (Inquiry-based)) during the first 9 months of the year. Summer should primarily consist of History (Social Studies) and Sports. History credit hours should also be available and offered online throughout the year.
(2) Future secondary school educators should have access to a "Bachelor of Arts" degree of three years, instead of the traditional four-year degree. This will increase the pool of available qualified teachers in both mathematics and science. If a new teacher finds that secondary education doesn't suit her, she can always return to a university to acquire either a "Bachelor of Science" degree in her specified field, or perhaps pursue a post graduate degree.
(3) All graduating students should do so NOT with a HS diploma, but with an associates degree in some specialized field of endeavor needed by society.
This degree should immediately set a graduate upon the pathway to "gainful" employment.
(4) Once a person has graduated from HS with their AD in hand, they then immediately become eligible for governmental "work crew" status. This will enable them to work for either the government on the county, city, or federal level while applying their acquired skills. Of course, they will be compensated monetarily for their involvement in the "work crew" program. This work crew involvement will continue until some private entity offers the participant a more lucrative position within their company. Thus, no welfare!
(4) Any student who reaches the age of 20 years without acquiring an associates degree will automatically be involuntarily enlisted in the military for a minimum of 2 yrs. Upon completion of their military service, they will also have completed their requirements for an associates degree.
(5) The first four years of post secondary education should be free for all students below a certain level of economic status. Student loans should be prohibited by law. If cannot financially afford a post secondary education, the government make it easily accessible for any qualified applicant. Therefore, any call for reparations is quashed by default.
(6) Everyone should be equally entitled by right, to universal healthcare like all other progressive technologically, socially, and culturally advanced countries.
(7) We need community recreation and childcare centers where children can receive free and proper care and attention while their parents are either at work, or temporarily away from the home. This center will serve as a childcare facility, a sports center, an educational facility, and a social information network. Therefore, any family experiencing signs of dysfunction can be readily intercepted.
(8) Our penal system should become institutions of learning and psychological therapy for those who are truly salvageable and do not pose a risk to society.
(9) We desperately need to address the ongoing problem with taking care of both our physically and mentally disabled citizens.
If we can implement these changes, there will be far fewer negative perceptions of people receiving welfare, because welfare won't even exist!
Late correction:
(5) If a student cannot financially afford a post secondary education, then the government should make that post secondary education more easily accessible to any qualified applicant.
Do you have proof, and furthermore have you even known any illegals personally? I have, and the ones I knew and worked with were hard working family men just trying to earn an honest buck (I know you don't want to hear that, since it destroys your narrative, but it was my experience)
Except, it's not an honest buck when it is earned illegally!
There is a number of conservative ideologies that have nothing to do with reality, as proven in practice: that tax cuts lead to growth that covers for increase in debt, that trickle down works but it really does not. Or that protecting environment hurts economy (while it actually creates more net jobs), or that coal is coming back lmao.
Another one is that giving people welfare checks makes them lazier.
Again, easy and emotional enough for right wing to grasp it, until they are faced with facts:
"Wisely designed anti-poverty programs, like the Earned Income Tax Credit, actually increase labor participation."
"A 2015 meta-study of cash programs in poor countries found “no systematic evidence that cash transfer programs discourage work” in seven different countries: Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Philippines, Indonesia, or Morocco. Other studies of cash-grant experiments in Uganda and Nigeria have found that such programs can increase working hours and earnings, particularly when the beneficiaries are required to attend classes that teach specific trades or general business skills."
Problem is, Republicans don't believe in science and facts.
The problem is you.
1. Clintons tax cuts lead to growth.
2.There is no such economic policy as trickle down, only economic amatuers use that phrase.
3. Protecvting the environment doesn't create jobs, it creates debt.
4. Welfare increases dependency on government and handouts and it doesn't do much to help with ones work ethic.
but other than that and making things up about conservatives spot on.
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Except, it's not an honest buck when it is earned illegally!
I mean honest buck in the sense that they are doing actual work rather than selling drugs or mugging people, don't play dumb, I'm sure you're smarter than that
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