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Seems to be. Take mccain, pre illness, for example. The left suddenly loved him because he's a Trump hater -- it didn't matter to them that he'd said vile things about Chelsea and hillary, and, how he'd treated his ex-wife. Those things he'd said and done, not counting the other anti-women crap he'd spewed, were far worse than what Barr had tweeted about VJ. To top it off, Chelsea was barely 18 and was not involved in politics at that time, she should have been off limits.
Suddenly?
No, I've had a deep respect for the man since about 2006. He's intelligent and has the ability to deliberate important issues. I don't agree with him about many things, but I do like him.
As for his comments on Chelsea and Hillary...you can't win with some people. If we complained about what McCain said, we'd be called sheeple. We don't say anything you criticize that too.
What exactly did he do to his ex-wife? The affairs he had when he came home are nothing extraordinary as many men have affairs (I don't condone them, but I'm not stupid) and the fact that he was a POW meant his marriage was already going to be tested beyond the normal realms of marriage stress. I urge you to do research on the rate of divorces among Vietnam era military men and women. That war wreaked havoc in many, many ways. And to be clear, I am not absolving McCain of his extramarital affairs but he isn't the evil person you are making him out to be either.
Just be happy George Carlin is gone. He was offensive comedian. But he spoke the truth.
OH PLEASE do not try to compare someone like George Carlin to Roseanne. Yes, he was "offensive" but his comedy was SMART and had something to say. He didn't go around name calling for the sake of name calling.
A more appropriate comparison is Samantha Bee with her comment about Ivanka and Roseanne's about Valerie Jarrett
George Carlin's use of profanity was "smart" and certainly not because he failed with his vocabulary --- Carlin always had the right word for the right reason...
Sam Kinnison was a comedian who was funny but depended on profanity for shock value
Many of them do--
Personally I don't find that funny
And while I might agree with Samantha Bee's invective description of Ivanka, I don't think it is humor or needs to be used in a public forum...
We consider ourselves liberals and we watched the original "Roseanne" and some of the revival--
I just thought it wasn't as funny 2nd time around--just like it lost its humor/insight in the original version....
The manner Roseanne performed in was heavy-handed and just acidic...
She wasn't being a character===just herself....like many people in long-running or biographical series...
Sometimes that works to the series benefit--in this one (IMO) it didn't
William Macy in "Shamless" plays a character very at odds in many ways from his personal self from what I have read--so the artistic 3rd wall is intact--
With Roseanne's it went out the window day 1...
That is a dangerous construct
Okay... I Googled for you, so you wouldn't claim I made up a definition.
rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
"the comments have led to her being called a racist"
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
adjective
1.
showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"
(Source: Google dictionary, just type the word in)
If you note the adjective "racist" means "showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another."
Now... if you take Roseanne's tweet and you add the history behind referring to black people as apes in an attempt to belittle them or place white people in a position of superiority...
Well, it's really just not that hard unless one is willfully ignoring the obvious connection.
This wasn't just a bunch of "liberals" who noticed it. I have a good many friends who voted for Trump and are registered Republicans are they are denouncing this sort of behavior, too.
So, yeah... not a made up thing at all.
Your logical and literate explanation is really not going to make a din't in someone's perception when that person espouses racist views...
They can't self-examine and admit it...
Okay... I Googled for you, so you wouldn't claim I made up a definition.
rac·ist
ˈrāsəst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
"the comments have led to her being called a racist"
synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More
adjective
1.
showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.
"we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the club"
(Source: Google dictionary, just type the word in)
If you note the adjective "racist" means "showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another."
Now... if you take Roseanne's tweet and you add the history behind referring to black people as apes in an attempt to belittle them or place white people in a position of superiority...
Well, it's really just not that hard unless one is willfully ignoring the obvious connection.
This wasn't just a bunch of "liberals" who noticed it. I have a good many friends who voted for Trump and are registered Republicans are they are denouncing this sort of behavior, too.
So, yeah... not a made up thing at all.
RedZin you are dead on in your assessment. You hit the nail on the head about one thing, and that is willful ignorance.
There are legal definitions of this term as well, but in the context of ideologues this is what it means:
Willful ignorance: "The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguments because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs."
Combine willful ignorance with the reliance on propagandists that are expert in the use of fallacious arguments (Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage the list is long) and that's how someone like Trump gets elected. And it explains a lot about the ludicrous pretzel logic "arguments" from Trump supporters that we read on CD and other political forums every day.
A more appropriate comparison is Samantha Bee with her comment about Ivanka and Roseanne's about Valerie Jarrett
George Carlin's use of profanity was "smart" and certainly not because he failed with his vocabulary --- Carlin always had the right word for the right reason...
Sam Kinnison was a comedian who was funny but depended on profanity for shock value
Many of them do--
Personally I don't find that funny
And while I might agree with Samantha Bee's invective description of Ivanka, I don't think it is humor or needs to be used in a public forum...
We consider ourselves liberals and we watched the original "Roseanne" and some of the revival--
I just thought it wasn't as funny 2nd time around--just like it lost its humor/insight in the original version....
The manner Roseanne performed in was heavy-handed and just acidic...
She wasn't being a character===just herself....like many people in long-running or biographical series...
Sometimes that works to the series benefit--in this one (IMO) it didn't
William Macy in "Shamless" plays a character very at odds in many ways from his personal self from what I have read--so the artistic 3rd wall is intact--
With Roseanne's it went out the window day 1...
That is a dangerous construct
Great post. Another actor who played a character diametrically from himself is Jon Hamm as Don Draper. He has said he didn't like Don much at all and didn't understand how so many women fawned over the character. (I was one of them... )
I just posted the definition, so yet not conforming at all to the definition you insist that it is the "epitome" of racism.
Epitome: a person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type.
I don't care about the history. This is about a Tweet from 2 days ago.
I posted the definition. I've simply asked people who insist on calling this comment "Racist" to explain how they decided that was the correct term.
It is becoming apparent nobody actually knows what this word means.
But they use it because its a nice rhetorical weapon against their enemies.
It was called racist because it is racist.
You want to ignore the history so that you can redefine the fact that referring to Black people as apes has always been racist.
You don’t get to do that.
“In an age where any dog whistle can be declared an innocent misunderstanding, there are probably only about four or five racist statements that can’t be explained away. One of them is comparing black people to apes. That’s because the comparison has a centuries-long racist history. “
RedZin you are dead on in your assessment. You hit the nail on the head about one thing, and that is willful ignorance.
There are legal definitions of this term as well, but in the context of ideologues this is what it means:
Willful ignorance: "The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguments because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs."
Combine willful ignorance with the reliance on propagandists that are expert in the use of fallacious arguments (Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage the list is long) and that's how someone like Trump gets elected. And it explains a lot about the ludicrous pretzel logic "arguments" from Trump supporters that we read on CD and other political forums every day.
There is more wilful ignorance on the liberal/dem side than the Trump side.
You want to ignore the history so that you can redefine the fact that referring to Black people as apes has always been racist.
You don’t get to do that.
“In an age where any dog whistle can be declared an innocent misunderstanding, there are probably only about four or five racist statements that can’t be explained away. One of them is comparing black people to apes. That’s because the comparison has a centuries-long racist history. “
I see your frustration but the reality is that yes, they DO get to do that. One of the great strengths of our country and also one of its great weaknesses is that you are perfectly free to believe any fantastical thing that you want and to be willfully ignorant if that's your desire. You are free to redefine the term racism in your own mind in any way you want. And you are free to spew this ignorance whenever you wish.
What they DON'T get to do is make these statements without push-back and repercussions. Barr has learned this the hard way. And the posters here on CD that make such statements know that they are way, way out on a limb with an indefensible position. But that is their choice. Just as it is our choice to focus on facts, logic and traditional values. You have to accept the reality that many people don't care about facts or logic or consistency. What they care about is how something makes them "feel". This is what drives the Trump populists, that feeling of "us against them".
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