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At the time of the Holocaust there was no Poland. It had been divided between Germany and the USSR. Individual Poles might have been involved as were Latvians and Lithuanians, individuals from every country Germany invaded. That doesn't mean their countries were complicit.
An occupied nation ceases to exist? Polish authorities, staffed by Polish people from Poland who spoke Polish, were quite eager in helping the occupiers root out their Jewish neighbors. That was despicable, and whitewashing their complicity by passing laws against even mentioning it is not worthy of a 21st century nation.
Did anyone ever deny that Quisling was a Norwegian?
It is outrageous for governments to threaten people with jail time for expressing unapproved opinions about historical matters, and disappointing that Poland would follow in the footsteps of France, Germany, Italy, Australia and so many other nations by implementing such laws.
Except the laws you mention are about facing past crimes, whereas Poland's laws are about denying them.
An occupied nation ceases to exist? Polish authorities, staffed by Polish people from Poland who spoke Polish, were quite eager in helping the occupiers root out their Jewish neighbors. That was despicable, and whitewashing their complicity by passing laws against even mentioning it is not worthy of a 21st century nation.
Did anyone ever deny that Quisling was a Norwegian?
Naturally! But, Germany made sure all had to be Nazis or Nazi supporters. You can't blame "Poland" for this. Some, those sitting safely in front of their laptops, might raise blame because the people failed to revolt. This is a reflection on them, not the Poles.
Germany, of course, was the same (with the difference in parentheses below). Every judge, mayor, major or minor functionary had to be a Nazi. This is what made de-Nazification so difficult. The allies had to keep many Nazis in these posts because they were the only people who knew how to do anything. (In Germany, of course, the Nazis were not imposed on the people as they were in Poland. They had the enthusiastic support of the people. This is why Germany is guilty and "Poland" is innocent.)
Poland was not like Norway. Norway continued to exist. Poland ceased to be a country. It had no leader who could be a Quisling. I'm not familiar with how Quisling got to lead Norway. I assume, though, it wasn't without the Germans' involvement.
It is outrageous for governments to threaten people with jail time for expressing unapproved opinions about historical matters, and disappointing that Poland would follow in the footsteps of France, Germany, Italy, Australia and so many other nations by implementing such laws.
All this does is chill the discussion about the Holocaust. Even in the US, where there are no laws against speaking of the Holocaust, people are afraid to talk about it. There are many mistruths about the Holocaust that have been proven to be false and are a matter of public record, yet that can't even be discussed.
All this does is chill the discussion about the Holocaust. Even in the US, where there are no laws against speaking of the Holocaust, people are afraid to talk about it. There are many mistruths about the Holocaust that have been proven to be false and are a matter of public record, yet that can't even be discussed.
Poles, renowned worldwide as the dumbest of the dumb, are going to let their government leave them even less informed.
My father tells the most hilarious stories of growing up in Poland. The way he tormented these idiots probably did no favors to the other Jews in town after her left.
Naturally! But, Germany made sure all had to be Nazis or Nazi supporters.
Sadly, this is not the case. The rank and file of the Polish police, for instance, was simply the pre-war Polish police force with Germans inserted in leading roles. (This, by the way, was not so unusual in occupied countries. Someone still had to take care of pickpockets and whatnot, sounds silly but it's a real concern.)
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Some, those sitting safely in front of their laptops, might raise blame because the people failed to revolt.
It's not a matter of failing to revolt. It's a question of how zealous you are in sending off your neighbors to certain death. Many Polish officials were quite happy to do so.
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Poland was not like Norway. Norway continued to exist. Poland ceased to be a country.
As a nation - that was the Nazi intent, certainly. But after liberation, well - there the country was.
Can you discern the actions of people who self-identify as Poles, take orders from other Poles, and send other Poles (who happen to be Jewish) to their deaths from the actions of a country?
The Poles got the sticky end of the stick in WWII, no denying it. But there was a huge amount of anti-semitic sentiment (and discriminatory law, even) before the occupation, and a disturbingly high willingness to cooperate with the Nazis on that point.
Also, certainly, there was no lack of heroic resisters, either.
It's a messy and complicated and deeply tragic chapter of history. But FFS, legislation?
What's all this supposed to prove? That Poland didn't care for Jews either?. You can keep traveling east into Russia and find they didn't like them there either-either! An embarrassingly bad track record for the Chosenites!
Doesn't the embarrassingly bad track record belong to the Europeans?
I mean, after all, they couldn’t beat the Jews with their minds, so they got frustrated and killed them.
All because they didnt want to compete with people that were smarter than them. Now, THATS embarrassing.
A wild animal can kill a person. It’s nothing to brag about.
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