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Old 04-15-2018, 07:09 PM
 
Location: 89434
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The electorate? You mean the millions more people that voted for Hillary Clinton than voted for Trump? THAT electorate?
Hillary did not get 270 electoral votes, which is why she is not president. California and New York gave her the popular vote margin.

Besides, the popular vote does not determine who wins the election.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Don't bet on it. Even if Trump loses in 2020 they'll be whining and blaming Trump longer than they've been blaming Bush.
Well he has done lasting damage to our courts with his heinous judicial appointments, and we'll be dealing with the effects of that for years to come. Policy-wise though, I don't think he'll wreak too much long-term damage. There isn't much he's done that can't or won't be reversed.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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It would be foolish to under estimate Trump. He's ruthless and without any morals whatsoever. He still has a cult like following of something like 40% of the electorate. He has a well thought out plan to employ disinformation to discredit both the DOJ and the FBI and broadcast this information through Fox News and other friendly news outlets.
He is toxic and has far more problems than most presidents have ever had. I think the only as corrupt administrations the US had were Jackson and Grant. Nobody alive now was old enough you remember those without second or third hand knowledge.
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Old 04-15-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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Let's face it. From an objective standpoint, the only way that someone as obviously unqualified and unsuitable as Trump is could win the presidency, is because of an unprecedented amount of election cheating. This was enabled by the Citizen's United ruling. It really is unfortunate.

Trump is predictably being overwhelmed by scandals now. He like likes golden showers and God knows hat other perverted sexual acts. He had an affair with a porn star or two or three. He may have fathered a child out of wedlock. he has cheated on, betrayed, and shamed all of his wives and mothers of all of his kids. Mueller already has enough on him and his team to charge him, but I suspect that there is so much wrongdoing, that it is taking a long time to gather. Trump feels the heat. He looks like hell, sounds irrational most of the time, and seems entirely unfocused. I don't think he sleeps at night. He's also packing on the pounds. I think he will resign before year's end, his marriage in tatters.

He is predictably a disaster is president. His agenda is an utter failure, and when challenged in court, it gets obliterated because of the racial animus that is its foundation. If he fires Mueller and Rosenstein, this will cause Congressional Republicans to turn on him out of self-preservation. He will be impeached. If he doesn't fire them, they will present enough evidence to send him and his cohorts to jail.

Yes, I would say that the end of this utter travesty and embarrassment is near.
That's a objective standpoint???lol
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:47 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This article has a pretty harsh assessment of that. And interestingly, this is a business and economics journalist, not a political one.



https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ump-presidency


Remember, he was never going to be elected... then he would never be sworn in, then he will be out by the end of February, then he will be out by the 4th of July, then he is going to be out by Thanksgiving, then Christmas, now into 2018 and still no crime to get him on.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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Hillary did not get 270 electoral votes, which is why she is not president. California and New York gave her the popular vote margin.

Besides, the popular vote does not determine who wins the election.
I don't know who you are talking to because my point was to someone who referenced Trump reflecting the electorate. It's a factual statement that he does not, because notwithstanding his electoral college win, he lost the popular vote. We all are aware that the popular vote does not determine who becomes president but it most certainly does reflect the electorate.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:03 PM
 
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Remember, he was never going to be elected... then he would never be sworn in, then he will be out by the end of February, then he will be out by the 4th of July, then he is going to be out by Thanksgiving, then Christmas, now into 2018 and still no crime to get him on.
Are you categorically stating that the man is innocent of any crime?
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Are you categorically stating that the man is innocent of any crime?
It's best if we don't ask BB questions...just sayin
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:08 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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I think we are now at the beginning of the end. His lies and deceptions are catching up with him and the people he has alienated are telling on him. He never figured out that being president is not like a tv show. You can't just fire people, thinking it's fun, and suffer zero consequences. You can't prance around doing whatever you want just because you're rich.

It's all gonna fall apart--including his marriage. I think it may take another year before he finds a reason to resign, but we are approaching the end.
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Old 04-15-2018, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Are you categorically stating that the man is innocent of any crime?
He may not be innocent but he hasn't been proven guilty...
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