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Old 04-16-2018, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Here and now.
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The mistake was voting for Hillary over Sanders even after knowing she cheated. Nobody that I can recall has said it was a mistake. You didn't even do it. Saying that she wasn't the best candidate and flawed is NOT saying your vote was indeed a mistake.

The thing is, most of these discussions are about the general election, not the primary. I doubt many Hillary voters are glad that Trump won the general, and consider that vote a mistake. How they feel about having voted for her in the primary, if, in fact, they did, is a whole other question.
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Old 04-17-2018, 12:07 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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How is it now a witch hunt when there was a crime before? I honestly think it is still too soon for us to consider it. Why, we do not know how deep the rabbit hole goes quite yet. Plus Trump is leaving us with tons of corrupt gold each and every day. If it isn't the Mueller investigation, it is paying off pornstars and centerfolds, if it isn't the payoffs, it is his lack of a backbone with Russia.
We mess with elections in other countries and they mess with ours, suddenly it's a problem - Why?
There were many people vying for that position, but only one was investigated - Why?
(well, they did do a cursory look at Stein, because she had once had dinner with Putin, she, along with many others who were at that same table)

They have given us No Crime.
Comey even stated that Trump was not under investigation, so, up until then there was nothing to look at....no crime that involved Trump.(one cannot say, well maybe they have a crime 'now')

If there was nothing to look at right before Comey was fired, and per Comey, Trump wasn't even being investigated, why did they, and why are they still, just looking at Trump?????
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:43 AM
 
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I have to ask, did you think Pres. (Bill) Clinton was witch hunted with the Starr investigation? This answer will give me everything I need to know about you (and other Trump supporters.)
I'm not a Trump supporter but we should indeed take accusations of sexual harassment seriously especially when they come in droves like they did with both Clinton and Trump.
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:44 AM
 
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The thing is, most of these discussions are about the general election, not the primary. I doubt many Hillary voters are glad that Trump won the general, and consider that vote a mistake. How they feel about having voted for her in the primary, if, in fact, they did, is a whole other question.
And yet, it still applies. Few if any say "yeah, it was a mistake" so why should Trump supporters?
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Old 04-17-2018, 05:46 AM
 
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It's a classic red herring. Seriously, why does what Hillary did or didn't do or what she may have gotten away with have anything to do with Trump? Why do most Trump supporters seem to believe that even if Trump is guilty, he should be off the hook since Hillary supposedly committed much worse crimes? In a court of law, you will NEVER win if your only defense is that your crime wasn't as bad as somebody else's. Why is that defense acceptable to Trump supporters and why do they continue to think it will work?
Because most of them did not attain any level of higher education. So they think in the concrete and their intellectual capacity hasn't moved beyond the childlike give and take, or orange-blue simple comparisons. The is the limits of our democracy.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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We mess with elections in other countries and they mess with ours, suddenly it's a problem - Why?
There were many people vying for that position, but only one was investigated - Why?
(well, they did do a cursory look at Stein, because she had once had dinner with Putin, she, along with many others who were at that same table)
This is a total right wing Greg Brady "Well you didn't say I couldn't do..." copout. While, yes I can't defend U.S. involvement in elections overseas, perhaps this will end that. I can only hope. That said, it is a ****-poor reason to let what Russia did slide. They propagated fake news to create a fear about Clinton that really wasn't needed, there were enough reasons to be against her in the first place. They also saught a leak you the actual political party which may have included foreign funds which mind you is illegal.

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They have given us No Crime.
Comey even stated that Trump was not under investigation, so, up until then there was nothing to look at....no crime that involved Trump.(one cannot say, well maybe they have a crime 'now')
They can't when an investigation is on going. You are asking to change the nature of investigation to show as the discovery phase is going on. That's not how it works.

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If there was nothing to look at right before Comey was fired, and per Comey, Trump wasn't even being investigated, why did they, and why are they still, just looking at Trump?????
So Comey wasn't investigating the Trump team before? I seem to remember Comey wanting to pull a Hillary like press conference about Candidate Trump during the election... I find it hard to believe. Now yes, maybe Trump himself wasn't directly investigated, but had the right evidence come forth like say Watergate, he would be.

To deny looking into this is letting criminals get away with cheating the right to vote in America. We would be as good as having a dictator like President Diem or the Shah.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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This is a total right wing Greg Brady "Well you didn't say I couldn't do..." copout. While, yes I can't defend U.S. involvement in elections overseas, perhaps this will end that. I can only hope. That said, it is a ****-poor reason to let what Russia did slide. They propagated fake news to create a fear about Clinton that really wasn't needed, there were enough reasons to be against her in the first place. They also saught a leak you the actual political party which may have included foreign funds which mind you is illegal.
Fake as in?
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Fake as in?
If you don't know the fake news that was propagated, you haven't been paying attention at all.
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:26 AM
 
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If you don't know the fake news that was propagated, you haven't been paying attention at all.
I have been. I've asked over and over and all I get is answers such as yours.

Fake as in?
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Old 04-17-2018, 07:29 AM
 
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Fox's "James Comey trial" has about as much validity as a grade school trial of the goldilocks and 3 bears caper.

To think that adults take part in this theater, and then gullible fools actually buy it...
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