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Old 04-25-2018, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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Originally Posted by LordSquidworth View Post
The judge simply told the president his legal reasoning for ending DACA doesn't hold up. Means he needs to find a better reason.

That's the rule of law.
The only reason he needs is he is the President of the United States and as such he has plenary authority to rescind executive orders without explaining himself to anyone, much less a federal judge.

THAT'S the rule of law.
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Old 04-26-2018, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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First, no one was discussing a mandate.

Second, look at map of red vs. blue in the 2016 election.

For your convenience:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/2016-e...-state-winners
showing large areas of land where a handful of people voted red is meaningless in terms of the vote. People vote. Cows and trees do not.

and a Trump supporter was the first to claim "will of the people." It remains a factual statement that Trump did not receive the popular vote, and claiming he has "the will of the people" remains a false statement.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:20 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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How unsurprising to hear from Mr. Strict Constitutionalist (except not strict when he doesn't like the outcome). Nothing better than weighing in with bald hypocrisy.
Yes. Opinions are like asses. Everyone has one.
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Old 04-26-2018, 11:35 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The judge simply told the president his legal reasoning for ending DACA doesn't hold up. Means he needs to find a better reason.

That's the rule of law.

That an EO cannot be eliminated by another EO?

What if Obama had made the EO and wrote the EO to eliminate it? Would that work?
This is not an act of Congress here... This is the proof, it is political and not about the Constitutional reasoning.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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That an EO cannot be eliminated by another EO?

What if Obama had made the EO and wrote the EO to eliminate it? Would that work?
This is not an act of Congress here... This is the proof, it is political and not about the Constitutional reasoning.
except of course it is about Constitutional reasoning. If Trump managed to come up with an EO on this issue that passed Constitutional muster, it will be allowed. So far, he hasn't.
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Old 04-26-2018, 12:32 PM
 
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That an EO cannot be eliminated by another EO?

What if Obama had made the EO and wrote the EO to eliminate it? Would that work?
This is not an act of Congress here... This is the proof, it is political and not about the Constitutional reasoning.
The implementation of an executive order must not be "arbitrary and capricious" in order to be Constitutional.

That is a pathetically low legal standard and the fact that this administration cannot meet it speaks volumes.
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Old 04-26-2018, 02:51 PM
 
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except of course it is about Constitutional reasoning. If Trump managed to come up with an EO on this issue that passed Constitutional muster, it will be allowed. So far, he hasn't.
obamas EO on DACA is in fact unconstitutional, since its the job of congress to pass immigration legislation, not the president.
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia Area
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No choice my hiney! That executive order was unconstitutional by Obama's own admission. But I guess it's ok if you're part of the elite party, you can do whatever you want, but if you're not, then you're a slave and a traitor who has to be put down.


This whole thing is one act of despotism after another, and what you must realize is, we the people have had about enough of your bull**** and are about to break free from your control by revolting!

We firmly believe a government that acts like this isn't a legit government to take orders from via the writings of our Founders.

We have repeatedly petitioned them and they've scorned us and abused us. Because of these increasing treacheries, we believe it's time to tell them that WE are in charge and they are NOT our Masters and that we aren't going to cooperate anymore.
Exactly! This is a rogue, criminal government and has been for many, many decades now:

N.W.O. from the mouths of the elite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0lKpK5-fQo
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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obamas EO on DACA is in fact unconstitutional, since its the job of congress to pass immigration legislation, not the president.
You aren't clear what an EO is then, because Obama did not "pass legislation."
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Old 04-26-2018, 03:56 PM
 
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obamas EO on DACA is in fact unconstitutional, since its the job of congress to pass immigration legislation, not the president.
Good, so when you find standing and a Federal Court that agrees with you, you’ll be all set. Godspeed!
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