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Old 04-30-2018, 10:28 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sophiasmommy View Post
This is your definition of a successful state:

[b]Mexico had over 26,000 murders last year. No, that wasn't a typo.
When millions of people are trying to leave your country, I'd call that failure.
Do you know where their guns come from? Do you know who buys their drugs?

Just checking.......

"Most of the guns used in those crimes came from the US - 70 percent of guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and traced since 2009 were purchased in the US and trafficked across the border."

So, we provide the weapons and consume the results of the weapons (drugs).....yet you act as if we have nothing to do with their problems? Fantastic!

"guns used in crimes in Mexico were traced to Texas and Arizona at more than three times the rate per capita, compared with California, between 2009 and 2014. "Since 40 percent of all Mexican crime guns comes from Texas, state leaders should step up to study and implement sensible solutions to the deadly problem of gun trafficking"

Note - in the "good old days" of American history, there were murder rates in TN and nearby states of 250 per 100,000 per year. Given our population today, that would be 800,000 murders per year. Yet we never considered ourselves a "failed state"......

In the early 1990s, our (US) murder rate was about 24,000 per year. Were we a failed state?

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Old 04-30-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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I do think the USA created this problem & now for someone to suggest 'other countries' need to help the USA fix it is a bit much and as a new American -- insulting.

USA should have this issue and they don't need Canada to solve this.
Didn't Mexico "create " this problem, by not even being able to provide the basic necessities for its own citizenry. When 12 million of your own people are desperate to get the heck out, something went terribly wrong. And my point simply is, why should we be the only stable nation in NA to bear this burden, why shouldn't little brother Canada pitch in? You have the worlds greatest superpower protecting you, but when we need something, you bail.
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Aaah no, we don't need cheap labour to change our tires and oil or cut our lawns. We prefer to do those simple chores ourselves rather than appear rich to impress the single-wide next door.

The U.S. invited them all with multiple amnesties, driver's licenses and jobs aplenty. You own it now.
Well, you have Trudeau now so expect a lot of things to change.
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:52 AM
 
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Do you know where their guns come from? Do you know who buys their drugs?

Just checking.......

"Most of the guns used in those crimes came from the US - 70 percent of guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico and traced since 2009 were purchased in the US and trafficked across the border."

So, we provide the weapons and consume the results of the weapons (drugs).....yet you act as if we have nothing to do with their problems? Fantastic!

"guns used in crimes in Mexico were traced to Texas and Arizona at more than three times the rate per capita, compared with California, between 2009 and 2014. "Since 40 percent of all Mexican crime guns comes from Texas, state leaders should step up to study and implement sensible solutions to the deadly problem of gun trafficking"

Note - in the "good old days" of American history, there were murder rates in TN and nearby states of 250 per 100,000 per year. Given our population today, that would be 800,000 murders per year. Yet we never considered ourselves a "failed state"......

In the early 1990s, our (US) murder rate was about 24,000 per year. Were we a failed state?
No, because unlike Mexico, millions of people were trying to get in, not leave. Unlike Mexico, our state police weren't run by drug cartels. Unlike Mexico, we don't have entire towns without electricity and clean water. I've been to Mexico 4 times and absolutely love it, but it's time that Mexico grows the hell up acts like its NA brethren.
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Old 04-30-2018, 10:55 AM
 
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Didn't Mexico "create " this problem, by not even being able to provide the basic necessities for its own citizenry. When 12 million of your own people are desperate to get the heck out, something went terribly wrong. And my point simply is, why should we be the only stable nation in NA to bear this burden, why shouldn't little brother Canada pitch in? You have the worlds greatest superpower protecting you, but when we need something, you bail.
I would agree that a good chunk of Canadians are sanctimonious and a bit full of themselves.

But they did not create this situation.

And to be honest, we could end it inside of a year if we really wanted to do so.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:07 AM
 
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First most of us Americans are aware of the fact that Canada is a loyal friend of the US and we all remember what Canada did for us on 9-11. Some of us remember the Iranian embassy event as well. Yes we are thankful and appreciative of what was done. Your right that Canada has not been helped in a similar way, at least not on that scale. You must remember however that Canada is not a major target of international hatred, nor is it subject to the amount of natural disasters that the US is. Thankfully for Canada you have not needed to ask for our help. If Canada did need our assistance it would most certainly get it without question.

As far as the military exercise you cite in 1953, I have no idea about that. A lot of dangerous exercises were conducted in those days. Obviously Canada consented to it if Winnipeg was on that list of affected cities, most likely Canadian forces participated in the exercise. The whole thing sounds unsafe, sadly Cold War paranoia led to some crazy risks being taken. The nuclear testing was far worse.
A reasonable and thoughtful post.

However:

Canada has been a target. Canada experienced it's first large scale terrorist attack in the early 80's due to Sikh extremism.

Canada has also endured natural disasters of equal scale, if not frequency, as the U.S. has endured.

More's the pity. You are probably correct about Canadian governmental complicity in clandestine U.S. tests being performed upon Canadians. BUT, do you think it probable or possible the obverse ever occurred?
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:12 AM
 
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I would agree that a good chunk of Canadians are sanctimonious and a bit full of themselves.

But they did not create this situation.

And to be honest, we could end it inside of a year if we really wanted to do so.
Unlike the plethora of Americans constantly purporting to be superior in everything and Canada's protector and big brother......unlike that kind of sanctimony and braggadocio?

The rest of your post is right on the money.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:15 AM
 
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Neither does the U.S.
Sure we do. Cheap labor is what keeps America going. The US was built on cheap labor (slavery, child labor, etc).

Without cheap labor, America wouldn’t be what it is today.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Didn't Mexico "create " this problem, by not even being able to provide the basic necessities for its own citizenry. When 12 million of your own people are desperate to get the heck out, something went terribly wrong. And my point simply is, why should we be the only stable nation in NA to bear this burden, why shouldn't little brother Canada pitch in? You have the worlds greatest superpower protecting you, but when we need something, you bail.
You are mistaken. Over the last 10 years the flow of Mexicans has been back to Mexico. Estimates are that the Mexican illegal alien population in the US has dropped by a million.

Mexico does reasonably well economically. But not nearly as well as the US. Hence the attraction. The custom of entering the US for employment was in fact encouraged by US interests for many decades.
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Old 04-30-2018, 11:20 AM
 
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Well, you have Trudeau now so expect a lot of things to change.
We fully expect things will continue ("progress" versus "regress") as they have for decades already.
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