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Correcting this problem will take doing multiple things -- build the wall, e-verify, increase border patrol, etc. No one single thing will stop the problem
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Originally Posted by oh come on!
You're not seeing it optimistically.
Illegals do the crappy jobs that Americans don't want to do. They do it pennies on the dollar.
Imagine if we had to pay American citizens to do those jobs. It would cost a lot more money.
Need a new driveway? lawn mowed? crops picked?
Imagine if you had to pay white people to do it instead of cheap illegals.
I'd say that's a $100 billion saved per year in labor expenses and cheap produce.
I know quite a few construction workers and lawn maintenance workers, and owners, who would like their jobs back, and yes many, but not all, are white. They'd been pushed out by illegals who will do crappy work cheap. But hey if cheap labor means so much to you, have you told your boss that you will work for pennies? No? Why not? Yeah, it's very easy to cheer when it's not you who is losing out.
As far as crop picking, they come in on agricultural visas .. why does everyone ignore that fact and always toss in the crop pickers? Sure there are scum crop growers, but e-verify will take care of them.
Illegals do the crappy jobs that Americans don't want to do. They do it pennies on the dollar.
Imagine if we had to pay American citizens to do those jobs. It would cost a lot more money.
Need a new driveway? lawn mowed? crops picked?
Imagine if you had to pay white people to do it instead of cheap illegals.
I'd say that's a $100 billion saved per year in labor expenses and cheap produce.
What utter nonsense! What jobs do Americans refuse to do for a fair wage and who do you think were doing before millions of cheap illegals flooded our border? So we should choose law breaking to save a few bucks? Actually, we are paying over $100 billion a year for the social costs of illegal aliens so how are we saving any money? The only ones profiting from then are the greedy employers who hire them.
White people? We have millions white and non-white Americans who need jobs and don't refuse to do them for a fair wage. Stick your race card back in your wallet!
Most illegals aren't moving Jo Smith's lawn they have taken over large commercial landscaping jobs. Americans have always done all kinds of construction jobs also. As for crop picking only 2% of illegals are picking crops and for those jobs there are unlimited visas for legal, foreign workers so what do need illegals for? The greedy employers don't pass any savings on the consumer what they do pass on to us is their enormous social costs so that head of lettuce isn't so cheap after all, is it?
I suggest you educate yourself on this issue and learn some respect for the rule of law. Your post is so full of pro-illegal lies and propaganda that it made me sick to read it.
Does Trump not realize how ridiculous it would look to not sign a bill passed by a Republican house and a Republican senate? They're trying so desperately to show the country that they can be adults and run a government and their own President is undercutting them.
Do the anti-wall politicians realize how it would look not to sign a bill for our national security and instead shut down our government?
Would that mean we would bring ALL troops home and close all those bases. And stop rebuilding all the parts of the ME we have destroyed.
Would we close the base in SK? Okinawa
Probably not. Military does not stop working during a shutdown. Plus Congress can pass a bill to authorize pay for military during a shutdown. I believe that happened during the last long shutdown a few years ago. Although important Federal agencies such as NSA (security), NIH, FDA, USDA and a host of other agencies critical to the country’s infrastructure will be put on pause, which isn’t good for anyone. I’m not saying that a shutdown is good. I’m just pointing out that the president does have the power to keep the government shutdown.
Does Trump not realize how ridiculous it would look to not sign a bill passed by a Republican house and a Republican senate? They're trying so desperately to show the country that they can be adults and run a government and their own President is undercutting them.
That is what happened during the last close shutdown about a month ago. The Republican majority House and Senate passed a spending bill, but he refused to sign it until late in the day. His advisors had to convince him.
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Don't you think it odd that terrorists are infiltrating the country via the southern border yet so far there is not one documented case of terrorism linked to anyone entering the country that way?
What about Abdulahi Hasan Sharif? How many others like him, but who have not had the chance to harm anyone yet, are not being talked about by the msm? The government, themselves, not releasing information about them? For all we know many of these people are being picked up and dealt with, without it making it to the media, especially under obama.
Sharif apparently came across the southern border in 2011. He was detained. He was then released from detention and after that he was apparently supposed to be deported, though it was said that he couldn't be deported back to Somalia. He fled up to Canada and crossed their border, they actually let him in, lol. While in Canada he tried to run a number of people down and stabbed cops. He's now facing attempted murder charges in Canada.
IIRC, when it shut down for a time, the employees got paid for the time they were not at work. What's the point of shutting down the government except to start trouble.
What about Abdulahi Hasan Sharif? How many others like him, but who have not had the chance to harm anyone yet, are not being talked about by the msm? The government, themselves, not releasing information about them? For all we know many of these people are being picked up and dealt with, without it making it to the media, especially under obama.
Sharif apparently came across the southern border in 2011. He was detained. He was then released from detention and after that he was apparently supposed to be deported, though it was said that he couldn't be deported back to Somalia. He fled up to Canada and crossed their border, they actually let him in, lol. While in Canada he tried to run a number of people down and stabbed cops. He's now facing attempted murder charges in Canada.
He can refuse to sign the spending bill or veto it. Without his signature on the spending bill, the government remains shutdown once the spending period lapses. During the last potential shutdown, congress avoided the shutdown Thursday night (both sides agreed on a spending bill), but it took until late Friday for the bill to become official (ie shutdown averted) because Trump refused to sign the bill, until he was finally convinced. If
he doesn’t sign a spending bill (even if Congress is fully supportive of the bill), the government will shutdown, so he does have the power.
No, he doesn't ,can he try ...yes but no he can't "close down the country"
No, he doesn't ,can he try ...yes but no he can't "close down the country"
I never said he can “close down the country.” I just said that the government cannot re-open after its funding is lapsed without a signature from the president. So he can shut the government down single-handily, but that doesn’t mean he can “close down the counrty.”
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