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Old 05-10-2018, 08:12 AM
 
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Trump was not elected by the russians, I dont even believe they even wanted him elected. Does Trump know alot of business people and business people want the president on their side if he wins his policies can make or break them. This is the same for all presidents. Did members of his campaign and or anyone around trump with access use that access for personal gain probably. But that is not Trumps fault nor is it ILLEGAL.

Welcome to washington DC, the business world and every president when power is close by people want a piece of that power to a personal connection to that power.

Clintons are more corrupt in this department then anyone mostly for economic and leftist reasons, next to the bush family they are likely similar.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:38 AM
 
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There are Russians and Russian money all over DC and there has been for decades.

Who do we know that took money from the Russians. Clinton's and in the millions.

What's needed ? A propaganda campaign to convince people it was someone else.
Don't look at what we know to be a fact. Look over there at what we don't know and can't prove. That's all it takes. Its as simple as that.

All anyone has to do is close there eyes and pick a side then blame it on that one side.

That's the real value of propaganda.
It wants people to believe in one side and not the other.
It can be used by both sides but it requires belief in one side.
The goal is to divide. A dash of truth mixed in with unknowable speculation.

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Old 05-10-2018, 08:50 AM
 
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I hope you dont think reason and common sense will get you anywhere with Trump haters.
I mean these people think exposing all his well documented character flaws is a meaningful argument.
Trumps a liar. A narcissist. Vulgar. Adulterer.
Okay. Not only would caring about that disqualify 90% of the individuals in politics...
I didnt pick him to babysit my kids or be pastor of my church. He doesnt have to be a role model.
He is just a person who forwarded the agenda and message that interested us.
If they ever do destroy him with their witch hunts and partisan media efforts, that message and agenda will still remain.
I will put it in a separate post but I recently read a good rant on quora about why trump won. To follow.
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Old 05-10-2018, 08:54 AM
 
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A lot will be written about this election in the coming days, months, and years. I have refrained from putting out any long-winded explanations because, well, quite frankly, I’ve been too busy celebrating. I haven’t stopped smiling in two days.

But as I see many of my more-liberal friends posting their own diagnoses – usually blaming racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc – I think it is prudent to throw my two cents in. You don’t have to believe me. Then again, you didn’t believe me when I said Trump would win by way of the Rust Belt a year and a half ago or when I said all of the polls were wrong. But these are minor details…

I want to say this as clearly as possible: Liberals, you went too far.

All of the polling data showed that the majority of Americans supported compassionate immigration reform. You turned around and called for a pathway to citizenship that would have shifted American electoral politics dramatically to the left for decades to come. President Barack Obama, after saying no less than 30 times that he didn’t have the legal authority to do so, decided to bypass Congress and give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants by executive order. When a Federal judge ordered the administration to stop, they kept sending out amnesty paperwork anyway. When Kate Steinle was murdered by a five-time deported illegal immigrant in a Sanctuary City, you spoke out in favor of letting potential-killers roam the streets to further your commitment to political correctness. Instead of looking at the real pain caused by illegal immigration in this country, you went to bat for people whose first act in this country was to break our laws. You went too far on immigration and you lost.

Most polling data shows that a plurality of Americans support sensible “common sense” gun control. This election season, you defined the term “common sense” for the first time… and it was terrifying. You chose a Presidential candidate who promised to eliminate the individual right to keep and bear arms by reversing the very Supreme Court case (Heller v DC) that affirmed that Americans have the right to own a gun. You nominated a candidate who promised to ban entire categories of weapons based not on their lethality, but on what attachments they have and what they look like. You went too far on gun control and you lost.

The vast majority of Americans supported the idea of revamping healthcare to make it affordable. Instead of working alongside Republicans, you jammed a healthcare bill down our throats using a parliamentary maneuver that allowed it to pass without a single Republican vote. One of your chief architects of the ACA said, on camera, that the law passed because of the stupidity of the American voter. When faced with the reality of premiums skyrocketing and health insurance companies leaving the system all together, you refused to admit that people were upset because you went too far. Instead, you nominated a candidate who argued the system was falling apart because we didn’t go far enough. You went too far on healthcare and you lost.

The majority of Americans support the idea of “free trade.” But you nominated a candidate who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the “gold standard of trade agreements,” a candidate who celebrated, alongside her husband, when NAFTA passed and when China entered the WTO. When Democrats had the chance to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership last year, 14 Senate Democrats voted alongside Republicans to give the President power to negotiate on it further. Those same Democrats voted for a companion bill (Trade Adjustment Assistance Act of 2015) to set-aside billions of dollars to retrain the hundreds of thousands of Americans who would lose their jobs as a result of TPP. You went too far on trade and you lost the entire Rust Belt as a result.

The country was roughly split 50/50 on the issue of abortion. Donald Trump stood on a Presidential debate stage and say that yes, if elected his Supreme Court judges would overturn Roe v Wade. Four years ago, many said Romney lost the election because of his “binders full of women.” By any measure, Donald Trump’s statement should have lost him the election. But he only received 1% less support among women than Mitt Romney did. Why? Because right after he said he wanted to overturn Roe v Wade, his opponent declared she believes abortion should be legal up until the date of delivery, which not only terrifies me as someone who was born significantly pre-mature, but it also goes directly against the viability test set forth in Roe v Wade. You went too far on abortion and you lost.

Contrary to the liberal talking points coming out over the past few days, the vast majority of the country believes in equal rights for people of color. Instead of building off of this common ground, Black Lives Matter popped up and the nightly news was filled with images of African Americans rioting and burning black neighborhoods to the ground. Police Officers began getting gunned down in the streets and yet Democratic Congressmen and Senators promoted this organization from the floor of the House and Senate. Even today, after Donald Trump won the Presidency in a landslide, disgruntled African Americans are being caught on camera savagely beating White citizens, simply because they voted for Donald Trump. You went too far on the issue of race and you lost.

Many on the Left, throughout this election, said that Donald Trump’s message was devoid of specifics. If you were one of them, then you weren’t paying attention. Donald Trump’s campaign was completely issue-based. He won by a landslide because he isolated every single thing that the Left went too far on and promised to right the ship.

While you were salivating over the prospect of 11 million illegal aliens being given citizenship and added to the voter rolls, Donald Trump was meeting with families who had loved ones killed by illegal aliens that Barack Obama refused to deport. While you used the San Bernardino attack and the Orlando Massacre to push for more gun control, Donald Trump stood on stage and promised to keep the violent Muslim extremism that caused these attacks “the hell out of our country.” While you called Donald Trump the most anti-gay candidate ever, he was going off script at the Republican Convention, thanking delegates for applauding his plan to keep the LGBT community safe. He was standing on stage at a rally in Colorado holding up a gay pride flag.

You believed that Trump’s comments about illegal aliens and certain women would spell certain defeat for the maverick billionaire. Now that the dust has settled, exit polls show Donald Trump winning 1% more of the Latino vote and only getting 1% less of the women vote than Mitt Romney did. You were wrong.

By all means, continue to post about how you think Donald Trump’s victory was caused by prevalent racism or sexism or some other -ism. That is your right and I will defend it to the death. But Hillary Clinton didn’t lose this election because of an –ism. She lost this election because the American people rejected every single part of your platform and until you realize this, you are going to keep losing.

One line that was repeated throughout the campaign when the pundits thought Trump was melting down was a Napoleonic quote: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. It would be easy to say this now as Clinton supporters blame everyone but themselves for this historic electoral result.

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YOU DONT GET IT STILL?

"How did this happen?!" they cry.

You want to know how this happened? You want to know how America resorted to bigotry and racism? You want to know how we let a TV star with no experience get to the White House? You want to know why we couldn’t stop being stupid enough to listen to what you had to say?

I can explain.

Ten years ago I never had to tell somebody my wife was black and children were of mixed race to get them to stop assuming I was racist.

Ten years ago I didn’t have to tell somebody I’m bisexual to get them to stop assuming I was being homophobic.

Ten years ago I didn’t have to tell people I’ve read the Qu’ran to get them to stop assuming I was ignorant of Islam.

Twenty years ago I didn’t have to worry about the government spying on my because I sat next to someone suspicious on a plane.

Twenty years ago I didn’t have to worry about getting kidnapped for being an American in most other countries.


Thirty years ago people weren’t being over who they voted for.

This is the country that brought the world electricity, the light bulb, that tamed the last frontiers in the world, that carved the faces of great men into mountains, that brought us powered flight, that broke the sound barrier, brought Europe peace after the most destructive war ever seen, tried to play nice but brought forth a fury never ****ing seen before when we were attacked, sent men to the ****ing Moon. But something happened.

We began intervening in other nations’ conflicts. We started trying to develop this network of power across the world. We started fighting wars for money. And when we were attacked harder than ever before, we pulled our punches and used it as an excuse to fight somebody that wasn’t even responsible.

We voted for change and change never came. We voted for the young charismatic man, and he sold us a bridge. He was given near complete power to bring change and what he brought us was a hamfisted attempt at health-care reform that he didn’t understand and we didn’t want. He promises change from the needless wars and brings us anonymous murder from above on an unprecedented scale. And because he happened to be President when gays got the right to marry, we are supposed to think of him positively?

Let me ask you, when was the last time you heard a song

We are tired of being led down the path of shame. We are tired of fighting other people’s wars. We are tired to the globalist network of power. We are tired of the oligarchy. We are tired of being undisputably the single most powerful nation to ever exist on this Earth and yet not being able to win the wars that corporations, industries, and oligarchs get us into because our leaders want to pretend war is an opportunity to be culturally sensitive and play nice.

But when we try to voice these concerns and desires we are called racist because the person we disagree with is black. We are called sexist because the person we disagree with is a woman. We are called homophobic for saying there are bigger priorities for the President than deciding who uses what bathroom. We are called Islamohobic for expecting our ultra-powerful military and police might to be able to provide us security. We are called rednecks, and fools, and morons, all because we disagree.

And we are told we should not disagree, because the “experts” say so? Like Nate Silver, who has been wrong about everything since 2012? Who was wrong about the results of the 2014 Midterms, the Brexit vote, the Primaries, the World Series, and the General election? I’m only an amateur analyst and I outperformed him.

We should just believe CNN who has been proven to feed information to political parties? Who orders their focus groups on how to respond? Who cuts the audio from anyone that strays from the narrative they sell?

The pollsters, who were so incredibly wrong about 2012, Brexit, and 2016?

Why should we believe the “experts” who get paid more and more for being right when they can’t get anything right?

Then a man we’ve known for decades shows up and decides to speak up for us - and you call him racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamaphobic, arachnaphobic and whatever else. But he speaks to us and for us. And you try to shut him up. You cast him as a reality TV star with no knowledge, while peddling Hollywood stars with no knowledge, as if Donald Trump has not been a household name for four ****ing decades?

Then all the people we’ve been sick of, the Bush family, the Clinton family, the Obama Administration, the elite of the world and the market and media all of these people we have been trying to get to change team up against this man. And you think we can’t see through that?

You lied about polls and when we saw through it you called us paranoid. You lied about crime committed and called us paranoid. You lied about the medical status of a public figure, for ****’s sake, and called us paranoid. Yet time after time when we were right, you just said “A broken clock is right twice a day!”

No.

**** you. This happened because we are so goddamn sick of you. We are so goddamn sick of not being heard. We are tired of being brushed off when we speak, so we don’t speak often. The Silent Majority.

of all ****ing people, was the only one of you globalist ****s to ever actually GET IT. You don’t ****ing get it. Michael Moore, of aaaaaall people said words that brought me to tears because of how accurate he was.

The media didn’t want him.
The GOP establishment didn’t want him.
The pollsters didn’t want him.
The globalists didn’t want him.
The NeoCons didn’t want him.
The Socialists didn’t want him.
The global power brokers didn’t want him.
But the people who are tired of fighting these wars our military isn’t allowed to win, tired of being robbed, tired of being taxed to poverty, tired of being insulted, tired of being slandered, tired of being lied to, tired of our livelihoods being given away, tired of being brushed off - yeah, US, we wanted him.

He isn't any of the things you try to tell us he is. We saw through it and you still lie even in defeat.

At the worst, he will be a message, louder and stronger than we have ever been.

And, at best, he will take us back to the Moon, up to the stars, build unrivaled monuments that will last centuries, bring back our jobs and our pride.

And I bet even if you read this, you still don’t get it.

But at the end of the day, this proverb doesn’t fit because you’re not my enemy. You are my friend, my neighbor, my countryman. We voted to Make America Great Again for all Americans and I sincerely believe that you will be pleasantly surprised
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Honestly, what can Russia do to manipulate Trump? He's a billionaire. The man has more money than he knows what to do with. What could they possibly offer him?

The amazing thing is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are getting away with the whole Uranium One scam with barely any questions asked. Accusations were only taken semi-seriously by the media when Bernie Sanders was pointing it out. HRC signs away a massive Uranium supply and $145 million dollars is auto-magically donated to the Clinton foundation. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post -- none of them give a crap about that one. Hillary's on their team and they wouldn't want to be disloyal to the team. But they're happy to chase after ghosts trying to prove Trump/Russian collusion where none appears to have ever happened. If Donald Trump had ever in his lifetime been just gifted $145 million by the Russian government, impeachment proceedings would have begun immediately and the entire Left would be losing their damn minds screaming that Trump really is a Russian spy. They'd probably even demand he be lynched or something along those lines.

It would be nice to see media not be so blatantly biased. Why haven't then called HRC and BHO on the carpet for the Uranium One deal? I'm not even a Trump fan, but I certainly am sick of the blatant bias clouding their reporting.
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:03 AM
 
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Trump was not elected by the russians, I dont even believe they even wanted him elected. Does Trump know alot of business people and business people want the president on their side if he wins his policies can make or break them. This is the same for all presidents. Did members of his campaign and or anyone around trump with access use that access for personal gain probably. But that is not Trumps fault nor is it ILLEGAL.

Welcome to washington DC, the business world and every president when power is close by people want a piece of that power to a personal connection to that power.

Clintons are more corrupt in this department then anyone mostly for economic and leftist reasons, next to the bush family they are likely similar.
We know the Clintons are corrupt because of Chelsea`s secret meeting with the Russians at Clinton Tower.
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Old 05-10-2018, 09:13 AM
 
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Honestly, what can Russia do to manipulate Trump? He's a billionaire. The man has more money than he knows what to do with. What could they possibly offer him?

The amazing thing is that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are getting away with the whole Uranium One scam with barely any questions asked. Accusations were only taken semi-seriously by the media when Bernie Sanders was pointing it out. HRC signs away a massive Uranium supply and $145 million dollars is auto-magically donated to the Clinton foundation. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post -- none of them give a crap about that one. Hillary's on their team and they wouldn't want to be disloyal to the team. But they're happy to chase after ghosts trying to prove Trump/Russian collusion where none appears to have ever happened. If Donald Trump had ever in his lifetime been just gifted $145 million by the Russian government, impeachment proceedings would have begun immediately and the entire Left would be losing their damn minds screaming that Trump really is a Russian spy. They'd probably even demand he be lynched or something along those lines.

It would be nice to see media not be so blatantly biased. Why haven't then called HRC and BHO on the carpet for the Uranium One deal? I'm not even a Trump fan, but I certainly am sick of the blatant bias clouding their reporting.
They perverted the whole thing into a pseudo scandal about email server security over classified data. The real story was why did she use a private server at all?
To facilitate covering up her corruption
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Old 05-10-2018, 11:01 AM
 
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Obama, Obama, Clinton, Clinton.....blah blah blah. Here'e the facts. Obama had a Democratic majority in the house from 2009-2011. Law does not become law with out the senate and the 60 vote requirement. In 2009 57 senate seats were held by Democrats, 2 sears were independent and the rest, Republican. From January 2013 to January 2015 Democrats controlled the senate and Republicans controlled the house. From January 2015 to January 2017 Republicans controlled both the house and senate.

Mitch McConnell " I'm determined to make this president (Obama) a one term president" quoted 9/25/2012.
In 2010 nine committees over saw the sale of Uranium One, a Canadian company with a subsidiary in the U.S. to a Russian energy company Rosatom. Kazakhstan, Canada, and Australia approved the transfers of their interests to Rosatom as well. Question. Why wasn't lock her up crooked Hillary who was the secretary of state and part of the nine agencies that signed off on the deal investigated by the Republican's three years after Obama lost the house and senate? If it was so crooked and McConnell was determined to oust Obama, wouldn't this have been a perfect opportunity? Are all nine agencies that approved the sale all corrupt too? I think it makes more sense that Trump is desperate for a deflection conspiracy theory that he will lie and cheat to get the rubes to believe it. Facts are facts for those who care to research vs blindly following conspiracy theories.

Here's another fact. Google how many grand juries investigated the Obama white house. "In Two Terms, Barack Obama Had Fewer Scandals Than Donald Trump Has Had In The Last Two Weeks." Huff Post.

PBS did an interesting segment on junk news on Facebook. "Online anger is gold to this junk news pioneer." It tracked a senior that was swayed by Russian troll propaganda as well as junk news. It profiles a junk news troll named Cyrus Massoumi who profits from pedaling hyper partisan misinformation. You can watch the program on line. It's very interesting.

We have Jared Kushner on Forbes talking about how he used Facebook and " micro targeted" voters. We have Newsweek reporting that "Russian Bots Retweeted Trump 500.000 Times At End of 2016 Campaign, Created Fake Facebook Events Seen By Thousands."

Here's the facts: There have been 22 indictments. and four people cooperating with the Mueller investigation. "There is a lot to Mueller's investigation." quoted by Nunberg. (You remember Sam Nunberg. He was all over the media defying the Mueller subpoena.) Source. ABC News. In the end he decided to cooperative with Mueller's questions about Torshin and his trying to open up a back door to the Trump campaign.

Now we get to Cohen the fixer. Where do we start? Weak conspiracy theories and what about-ism pale in comparison with what's yet to come. Yes innocent until proven guilty, but it's getting harder to see anything but the corruption, incompetence, and lies.
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Old 05-10-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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A lot will be written about this election in the coming days, months, and years. I have refrained from putting out any long-winded explanations because, well, quite frankly, I’ve been too busy celebrating. I haven’t stopped smiling in two days.

But as I see many of my more-liberal friends posting their own diagnoses – usually blaming racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc – I think it is prudent to throw my two cents in. You don’t have to believe me. Then again, you didn’t believe me when I said Trump would win by way of the Rust Belt a year and a half ago or when I said all of the polls were wrong. But these are minor details…

I want to say this as clearly as possible: Liberals, you went too far.

All of the polling data showed that the majority of Americans supported compassionate immigration reform. You turned around and called for a pathway to citizenship that would have shifted American electoral politics dramatically to the left for decades to come. President Barack Obama, after saying no less than 30 times that he didn’t have the legal authority to do so, decided to bypass Congress and give amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants by executive order. When a Federal judge ordered the administration to stop, they kept sending out amnesty paperwork anyway. When Kate Steinle was murdered by a five-time deported illegal immigrant in a Sanctuary City, you spoke out in favor of letting potential-killers roam the streets to further your commitment to political correctness. Instead of looking at the real pain caused by illegal immigration in this country, you went to bat for people whose first act in this country was to break our laws. You went too far on immigration and you lost.

Most polling data shows that a plurality of Americans support sensible “common sense” gun control. This election season, you defined the term “common sense” for the first time… and it was terrifying. You chose a Presidential candidate who promised to eliminate the individual right to keep and bear arms by reversing the very Supreme Court case (Heller v DC) that affirmed that Americans have the right to own a gun. You nominated a candidate who promised to ban entire categories of weapons based not on their lethality, but on what attachments they have and what they look like. You went too far on gun control and you lost.

The vast majority of Americans supported the idea of revamping healthcare to make it affordable. Instead of working alongside Republicans, you jammed a healthcare bill down our throats using a parliamentary maneuver that allowed it to pass without a single Republican vote. One of your chief architects of the ACA said, on camera, that the law passed because of the stupidity of the American voter. When faced with the reality of premiums skyrocketing and health insurance companies leaving the system all together, you refused to admit that people were upset because you went too far. Instead, you nominated a candidate who argued the system was falling apart because we didn’t go far enough. You went too far on healthcare and you lost.

The majority of Americans support the idea of “free trade.” But you nominated a candidate who called the Trans-Pacific Partnership the “gold standard of trade agreements,” a candidate who celebrated, alongside her husband, when NAFTA passed and when China entered the WTO. When Democrats had the chance to kill the Trans-Pacific Partnership last year, 14 Senate Democrats voted alongside Republicans to give the President power to negotiate on it further. Those same Democrats voted for a companion bill (Trade Adjustment Assistance Act of 2015) to set-aside billions of dollars to retrain the hundreds of thousands of Americans who would lose their jobs as a result of TPP. You went too far on trade and you lost the entire Rust Belt as a result.

The country was roughly split 50/50 on the issue of abortion. Donald Trump stood on a Presidential debate stage and say that yes, if elected his Supreme Court judges would overturn Roe v Wade. Four years ago, many said Romney lost the election because of his “binders full of women.” By any measure, Donald Trump’s statement should have lost him the election. But he only received 1% less support among women than Mitt Romney did. Why? Because right after he said he wanted to overturn Roe v Wade, his opponent declared she believes abortion should be legal up until the date of delivery, which not only terrifies me as someone who was born significantly pre-mature, but it also goes directly against the viability test set forth in Roe v Wade. You went too far on abortion and you lost.

Contrary to the liberal talking points coming out over the past few days, the vast majority of the country believes in equal rights for people of color. Instead of building off of this common ground, Black Lives Matter popped up and the nightly news was filled with images of African Americans rioting and burning black neighborhoods to the ground. Police Officers began getting gunned down in the streets and yet Democratic Congressmen and Senators promoted this organization from the floor of the House and Senate. Even today, after Donald Trump won the Presidency in a landslide, disgruntled African Americans are being caught on camera savagely beating White citizens, simply because they voted for Donald Trump. You went too far on the issue of race and you lost.

Many on the Left, throughout this election, said that Donald Trump’s message was devoid of specifics. If you were one of them, then you weren’t paying attention. Donald Trump’s campaign was completely issue-based. He won by a landslide because he isolated every single thing that the Left went too far on and promised to right the ship.

While you were salivating over the prospect of 11 million illegal aliens being given citizenship and added to the voter rolls, Donald Trump was meeting with families who had loved ones killed by illegal aliens that Barack Obama refused to deport. While you used the San Bernardino attack and the Orlando Massacre to push for more gun control, Donald Trump stood on stage and promised to keep the violent Muslim extremism that caused these attacks “the hell out of our country.” While you called Donald Trump the most anti-gay candidate ever, he was going off script at the Republican Convention, thanking delegates for applauding his plan to keep the LGBT community safe. He was standing on stage at a rally in Colorado holding up a gay pride flag.

You believed that Trump’s comments about illegal aliens and certain women would spell certain defeat for the maverick billionaire. Now that the dust has settled, exit polls show Donald Trump winning 1% more of the Latino vote and only getting 1% less of the women vote than Mitt Romney did. You were wrong.

By all means, continue to post about how you think Donald Trump’s victory was caused by prevalent racism or sexism or some other -ism. That is your right and I will defend it to the death. But Hillary Clinton didn’t lose this election because of an –ism. She lost this election because the American people rejected every single part of your platform and until you realize this, you are going to keep losing.

One line that was repeated throughout the campaign when the pundits thought Trump was melting down was a Napoleonic quote: Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. It would be easy to say this now as Clinton supporters blame everyone but themselves for this historic electoral result.

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YOU DONT GET IT STILL?

"How did this happen?!" they cry.

You want to know how this happened? You want to know how America resorted to bigotry and racism? You want to know how we let a TV star with no experience get to the White House? You want to know why we couldn’t stop being stupid enough to listen to what you had to say?

I can explain.

Ten years ago I never had to tell somebody my wife was black and children were of mixed race to get them to stop assuming I was racist.

Ten years ago I didn’t have to tell somebody I’m bisexual to get them to stop assuming I was being homophobic.

Ten years ago I didn’t have to tell people I’ve read the Qu’ran to get them to stop assuming I was ignorant of Islam.

Twenty years ago I didn’t have to worry about the government spying on my because I sat next to someone suspicious on a plane.

Twenty years ago I didn’t have to worry about getting kidnapped for being an American in most other countries.


Thirty years ago people weren’t being over who they voted for.

This is the country that brought the world electricity, the light bulb, that tamed the last frontiers in the world, that carved the faces of great men into mountains, that brought us powered flight, that broke the sound barrier, brought Europe peace after the most destructive war ever seen, tried to play nice but brought forth a fury never ****ing seen before when we were attacked, sent men to the ****ing Moon. But something happened.

We began intervening in other nations’ conflicts. We started trying to develop this network of power across the world. We started fighting wars for money. And when we were attacked harder than ever before, we pulled our punches and used it as an excuse to fight somebody that wasn’t even responsible.

We voted for change and change never came. We voted for the young charismatic man, and he sold us a bridge. He was given near complete power to bring change and what he brought us was a hamfisted attempt at health-care reform that he didn’t understand and we didn’t want. He promises change from the needless wars and brings us anonymous murder from above on an unprecedented scale. And because he happened to be President when gays got the right to marry, we are supposed to think of him positively?

Let me ask you, when was the last time you heard a song

We are tired of being led down the path of shame. We are tired of fighting other people’s wars. We are tired to the globalist network of power. We are tired of the oligarchy. We are tired of being undisputably the single most powerful nation to ever exist on this Earth and yet not being able to win the wars that corporations, industries, and oligarchs get us into because our leaders want to pretend war is an opportunity to be culturally sensitive and play nice.

But when we try to voice these concerns and desires we are called racist because the person we disagree with is black. We are called sexist because the person we disagree with is a woman. We are called homophobic for saying there are bigger priorities for the President than deciding who uses what bathroom. We are called Islamohobic for expecting our ultra-powerful military and police might to be able to provide us security. We are called rednecks, and fools, and morons, all because we disagree.

And we are told we should not disagree, because the “experts” say so? Like Nate Silver, who has been wrong about everything since 2012? Who was wrong about the results of the 2014 Midterms, the Brexit vote, the Primaries, the World Series, and the General election? I’m only an amateur analyst and I outperformed him.

We should just believe CNN who has been proven to feed information to political parties? Who orders their focus groups on how to respond? Who cuts the audio from anyone that strays from the narrative they sell?

The pollsters, who were so incredibly wrong about 2012, Brexit, and 2016?

Why should we believe the “experts” who get paid more and more for being right when they can’t get anything right?

Then a man we’ve known for decades shows up and decides to speak up for us - and you call him racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamaphobic, arachnaphobic and whatever else. But he speaks to us and for us. And you try to shut him up. You cast him as a reality TV star with no knowledge, while peddling Hollywood stars with no knowledge, as if Donald Trump has not been a household name for four ****ing decades?

Then all the people we’ve been sick of, the Bush family, the Clinton family, the Obama Administration, the elite of the world and the market and media all of these people we have been trying to get to change team up against this man. And you think we can’t see through that?

You lied about polls and when we saw through it you called us paranoid. You lied about crime committed and called us paranoid. You lied about the medical status of a public figure, for ****’s sake, and called us paranoid. Yet time after time when we were right, you just said “A broken clock is right twice a day!”

No.

**** you. This happened because we are so goddamn sick of you. We are so goddamn sick of not being heard. We are tired of being brushed off when we speak, so we don’t speak often. The Silent Majority.

of all ****ing people, was the only one of you globalist ****s to ever actually GET IT. You don’t ****ing get it. Michael Moore, of aaaaaall people said words that brought me to tears because of how accurate he was.

The media didn’t want him.
The GOP establishment didn’t want him.
The pollsters didn’t want him.
The globalists didn’t want him.
The NeoCons didn’t want him.
The Socialists didn’t want him.
The global power brokers didn’t want him.
But the people who are tired of fighting these wars our military isn’t allowed to win, tired of being robbed, tired of being taxed to poverty, tired of being insulted, tired of being slandered, tired of being lied to, tired of our livelihoods being given away, tired of being brushed off - yeah, US, we wanted him.

He isn't any of the things you try to tell us he is. We saw through it and you still lie even in defeat.

At the worst, he will be a message, louder and stronger than we have ever been.

And, at best, he will take us back to the Moon, up to the stars, build unrivaled monuments that will last centuries, bring back our jobs and our pride.

And I bet even if you read this, you still don’t get it.

But at the end of the day, this proverb doesn’t fit because you’re not my enemy. You are my friend, my neighbor, my countryman. We voted to Make America Great Again for all Americans and I sincerely believe that you will be pleasantly surprised
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