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I am a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 69 20.29%
I am a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 80 23.53%
I am not a Christian. I support separating children from their parents at the border 59 17.35%
I am not a Christian. I do not support separating children from their parents at the border 132 38.82%
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Old 06-19-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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Why not give us the details how you know the adults are not the parents.
According to reports a great number of children crossed the border without any adults. From prior experience authorities have found often the adults with kids are not their parents. Perhaps you detail how to know the adults are the parents?
You know I cant even take my grandson to take a driver permit test without 1. a original birth certificate, 2. Social, 3. note from the school, 4. notarized note from a parent and 5. responsibility affidavit.
But you feel illegals are special and should be able to bring children illegally across the boarder and we are to just assume its their legal biological child.

 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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I completely disagree with what is going on with the children. There is NO EXCUSE to remove children from their parents. I am hoping the separation is only for a short time until such time it can be verified that these adults are actually family members. That is just my hope because otherwise I do not understand why we would do such a thing. After its verified the children should be placed with their parents (or parent) and if admitted, admitted together and if deported, deported together.
I know you are hoping but it was clearly stated that they were just going to be separated. This is a purposeful tactic to deter, punish and to use these families as political tools. If it was just a security issue--- they would have made that very clear from the get go.

It is clear the backlash from ALL sides -- right, left, religious, etc....and even the President's wife -- so i do believe we will see significant changes to what they are doing. This is a pr nightmare for this administration.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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I'm not refusing to do anything. Of course child trafficking is a thing.


You are trying to say all these kids are trafficked.


Listen to this audio - all the way through.
Listen the kids calling out for their mothers and fathers and the 6 year old Salvadorian girl pleading to go with her aunt - giving the the authorities the phone number and pleading with them to call her so that she can leave.



https://www.propublica.org/article/c...gration-policy


Then come back and tell me that these kids are trafficked.

It's worth it if just ONE child is saved from trafficking.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:18 PM
 
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I can't wait until the day Americans are the ones seeking refuge because their country is falling apart. It's coming. Then all of us will reap what we have sown.
No, no reaping, all of us will be dead by the time the collectivism you cherish is finally voted in by the worlds exported effluent. For our lives, we will enjoy the prosperity, excellence, magnificence and just plain fun of this great country built by better people than the ones who aren't good enough at being bad enough to pull it down in our life time.


But, I also having a sneaking suspicion that we might be good enough, no, great enough, to withstand the destructive vision you would visit upon us if you had your way.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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It's worth it if just ONE child is saved from trafficking.

It's worth permanently separating 2000 children from their parents to save one from being trafficked???
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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But we can humanely detain families. It's okay to check id's, verify and when verified put families together. Single moms with kids together, single dads with kids together and then the unsescorted kids -- and of course -- men in one, women in one, maybe couples in one?

Same number of people -- just different restructuring.

Right now a parent is detained in Phoenix and a kid is shipped to Miami -- WHAT? Why would we incur that extra risk, cost, etc.
And, how many of these people do you think have legit IDs with them? Many of these people don't even have birth certificates. In other words, when they were born, their births weren't registered.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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They are already imprisoned.

It would not need to be in jail.

Why not the same kind of faculty they are in now? Giving those seeking asylum a court date hoping they'll show up did not work so well.

This whole brouhaha is smoke and mirrors to elicit horror and get the bleeding hearts all worked up.

Nobody really knows who is being kept or why. The administration is telling all kinds of conflicting information.

From what I understand, when apprehended, their possessions are taken and the kids sent elsewhere. They get their court date and are sent back to where they came from. The Trump administration keeps the kids. I call that kidnapping. Better for the kids to be jailed with their parents than kidnapped by HHS.
If two American parents were to commit a crime and sent to jail, and no immediate family is available to take their children, they get taken away by some child services. You call that kidnapping?

LOL
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:20 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 2mares View Post
According to reports a great number of children crossed the border without any adults. From prior experience authorities have found often the adults with kids are not their parents. Perhaps you detail how to know the adults are the parents?
You know I cant even take my grandson to take a driver permit test without 1. a original birth certificate, 2. Social, 3. note from the school, 4. notarized note from a parent and 5. responsibility affidavit.
But you feel illegals are special and should be able to bring children illegally across the boarder and we are to just assume its their legal biological child.
this has been addressed about a million times.

Ice could easily work with other groups that can ensure the safety of the children.

Of course the parents have to be verified. If there are no papers for the kids -- the kids can be safely kept someplace else. But many of the families have papers.

Also these families are still detained -- so it is easy enough to 'monitor' the safety of the kids with the adults once they are detained.

And not once has this administration suggested the sudden policy shift to separate all families was because of safety.

This is a spin that is coming out now.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Hopefully you'll get pulled over and fined the next time you drive over the speed limit, Mr. Holy and Perfect.
I would get pulled over and fined if I drove over the speed limit. I would also have to go to court. Crossing the border illegally is more serious than speeding. If I were to say break into someone home I would be arrested and If I had my child with me, my child would be taken while I went to jail and I would most likely also be charged with child endangerment.
 
Old 06-19-2018, 01:21 PM
 
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Thank you for your post. I'm glad to see more moderate republicans speak out against this completely inhumane policy.
That is hyperbole. It is obviously incompletely inhumane, because surely something that was completely inhumane would involve killing the children, as the USG has done elsewhere (like Iraq) with the full support of the people who are now expressing outrage over something relatively minor.

This is all done to manipulate public opinion through a dishonest and decontextualized presentation of a run-of-the-mill and perfectly reasonable policy. This dishonesty is intended to make people vote against Trump and conservatives under false pretenses. Thanks to the media themselves, we have a new term for what the media are doing: "election interference".
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