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Old 05-10-2018, 05:29 PM
 
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I actually don't know.

Israel strikes Iranian targets in Syria in response to rocket fire - BBC News

Most people will say it was a proper response to Iran's strike but then you'd have to concede that Israel, unprovoked, attacked Iran first and Iran's strike was in Syrian territory occupied by Israel.

That
speaks volumes about you, none of it good!

Of course Israel is NOT a terrorist state - it is surrounded by them, however.
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Old 05-10-2018, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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That
speaks volumes about you, none of it good!

Of course Israel is NOT a terrorist state - it is surrounded by them, however.
Nice, like their ally Saudi Arabia?
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Old 05-10-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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Go on over to You tube and listen to Tom Lehrer ask us "Who's Next".
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:23 PM
 
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Nice, like their ally Saudi Arabia?
I wouldn't label any country as a terrorist state. That's just childish talk.
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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The United States has absolutely no enshrined right to exist. That’s a fantasy.

The notion is hilarious. The British Empire, Roman Empire and the Ottomsn Empire all had the same right to exist as you’re declaring here...where are they?

Nothing lasts forever. Time is the most powerful concept in the universe, and it will wipe out the United States and Israel (and every other human construct)...eventually.

Our existence as a nation is ephemeral. That it’ll end is set in stone.
As I said, a nation has a right to exist as long as it can defend it’s right to exist. That implies a temporary state, so you are mistaken if you think we are in disagreement on this. Right now, the USA has a right to exist. If someone wants to challenge that right, I dont think it will turn out well for them at this point in history. And if it happens after we are dead, does it really matter?
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Old 05-10-2018, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Austin
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only the most uninformed person would ask such a question as in the OP. if one is too lazy to do the research, s/he is not worthy of more response.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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If anything, the left that loves the little guy and underdog should be supporting Israel.
That was before Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and Tim Cook became the left's mascots. Not sure how Marx feels abut them.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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I wouldn't label any country as a terrorist state. That's just childish talk.
Fair; I was more responding to open d.
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Old 05-10-2018, 07:49 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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The United States has absolutely no enshrined right to exist. That’s a fantasy.

The notion is hilarious. The British Empire, Roman Empire and the Ottomsn Empire all had the same right to exist as you’re declaring here...where are they?

Nothing lasts forever. Time is the most powerful concept in the universe, and it will wipe out the United States and Israel (and every other human construct)...eventually.

Our existence as a nation is ephemeral. That it’ll end is set in stone.
You are one more of me as I think on the same lines as you. Ancient civilizations where here and now they're gone. Wiped out over time.

So much 'time' is being wasted with conflicts and as time goes on, that in all reality if all the countries around the globe pooled their resources, 'together' we could enrich our lives in what time we have left on this planet. It is most unfortunate that it doesn't work out that way.

Whatever brought this planet into existence can and will most likely one day take it back out. In the meantime, we tend to not recognize that civilizations as well as (dinosaurs) species use to be here and now they're not anymore.

We live our lives like there is no tomorrow and that tomorrow will never come, when we could be next in line for extinction.
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As I said, a nation has a right to exist as long as it can defend it’s right to exist. That implies a temporary state, so you are mistaken if you think we are in disagreement on this. Right now, the USA has a right to exist. If someone wants to challenge that right, I dont think it will turn out well for them at this point in history. And if it happens after we are dead, does it really matter?
It matters for those that are still here. Our legacy in what we leave for them could lead to an international society and peace. It begins in the raising of our children; in the kind of principles we bestow on them.

Israel has no ‘right to exist'—and neither does any other state

"The right for a state to exist should not be confused or conflated with either the right to self-determination or diplomatic recognition.

The first is a right invested in people, usually nations, who want to be governed in common as an independent or sovereign political community.

The latter is simply a political and legal convenience of international society. "
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PS: If the natives of this continent had won the land (that they had by natural right) it is conceivable the U.S. would not exist.

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Old 05-10-2018, 08:00 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't know about terrorist state but they are definitely a rogue state.

They possess nuclear weapons in violation of several international treaties. The same exact thing that we were willing to go to war against Iran and North Korea for doing.

They continue to build illegal settlements in occupied lands

They occupy land in the Golan Heights that the entire world recognizes as Syrian sovereign territory

They have committed espionage against the US

They once and may still have a spy and assassin network that was responsible for hundreds of murders around the globe

They routinely supply fake intelligence in attempts to goad right wing US governments into fighting proxy wars on their behalf. Things like the false claims of Iraq's WMD and the fake information about Iran's nuclear weapons production capacity.

They use force to maintain an apartheid regime within their own country. They perform systemic subjugation, intimidation, violence and murder against the religious minority that lives within the borders of their country. Something that is the height of irony given Jewish history both ancient and modern.
And your point is?

And in spite of all of this they are still better than the backwards Islamist around them
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