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Old 05-27-2018, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Time to send another check to Planned Parenthood. Thanks for the reminder.
This is exactly what you should do. This is what everyone who believes they do good work should do.

For those who disagree, their tax dollars should not be spent that way.

I am of the age when birth control was illegal, and a doctor wouldn’t prescribe it without the husband’s consent. Abortion was illegal, so many women died getting illegal abortions. Planned Parenthod was a lifeline to women then, but it is past it’s shelf life.

It is no longer necessary, and there is no reason for government funding. Do you know they turn away women past childbearing age? No money to be made there.
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Old 05-27-2018, 05:59 PM
 
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I would so put it to a vote. I remember when Obama was in office and Republicans were saying it. At the time I was offended. I'm not anymore. I would agree to it no matter who was president. Half the country is in complete disagreement with the other half and both halves detest each other. It's never going to get better ever.
Not really. There are plenty of people who aren't in lockstep on one side or the other. I disagree with you about many things, but I agree with you about a woman's right to choose/abortion, and your reasoning on this thread (except the part about splitting the country ).

I also think it isn't a man's business what a women does with her body, and that attempting to have a say is an attempt to assert a particular flavor of patriarchal control....and I say that as a man.

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Better to amicably divorce and save everyone the headache. Coastal states can grow their food locally and buy globally. Flyover states can do...whatever, I don't care what they do. And they can turn their states super right wing, abolish abortion, require religion, turn themselves into the Taliban. Because if that's what their voters want, have at it and leave the rest of us alone.
It might make you feel better to vent the above ^^^^^, but such a divorce is never going to happen.
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Old 05-27-2018, 06:07 PM
 
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This is exactly what you should do. This is what everyone who believes they do good work should do.

For those who disagree, their tax dollars should not be spent that way.

I am of the age when birth control was illegal, and a doctor wouldn’t prescribe it without the husband’s consent. Abortion was illegal, so many women died getting illegal abortions. Planned Parenthod was a lifeline to women then, but it is past it’s shelf life.

It is no longer necessary, and there is no reason for government funding. Do you know they turn away women past childbearing age? No money to be made there.
I can go you one better. When my husband went to get a vasectomy in 1984 after our 2nd child was born, I had to give MY consent, and we had to listen to a "what if" speech and wait 24 hours before the procedure.

We were both shocked at this. My husband and I were in our mid 30's, married 10 years with 2 children, and made this decision before we even got married.

Birth control was illegal in 1984? Maybe MALE birth control was/is?
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Old 05-27-2018, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by gentlearts View Post
This is exactly what you should do. This is what everyone who believes they do good work should do.

For those who disagree, their tax dollars should not be spent that way.

I am of the age when birth control was illegal, and a doctor wouldn’t prescribe it without the husband’s consent. Abortion was illegal, so many women died getting illegal abortions. Planned Parenthod was a lifeline to women then, but it is past it’s shelf life.

It is no longer necessary, and there is no reason for government funding. Do you know they turn away women past childbearing age? No money to be made there.
No government funds are spent on abortions at Planned Parenthood (unless they meet Hyde Amendment criteria).

They do not turn away postmenopausal women.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ge...omens-services

"Women's Services

...

Menopause Testing and Treatment"

...

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I can go you one better. When my husband went to get a vasectomy in 1984 after our 2nd child was born, I had to give MY consent, and we had to listen to a "what if" speech and wait 24 hours before the procedure.

We were both shocked at this. My husband and I were in our mid 30's, married 10 years with 2 children, and made this decision before we even got married.

Birth control was illegal in 1984? Maybe MALE birth control was/is?
No, birth control was not illegal in 1984. There are laws concerning sterilization, primarily because of abuses in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steril..._United_States

Most laws concern obtaining sterilization for mentally incompetent persons.

What you and your husband experienced was probably a policy of the person doing the procedure, not a law.
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Old 05-27-2018, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by gentlearts View Post
This is exactly what you should do. This is what everyone who believes they do good work should do.

For those who disagree, their tax dollars should not be spent that way.

I am of the age when birth control was illegal, and a doctor wouldn’t prescribe it without the husband’s consent. Abortion was illegal, so many women died getting illegal abortions. Planned Parenthod was a lifeline to women then, but it is past it’s shelf life.

It is no longer necessary, and there is no reason for government funding. Do you know they turn away women past childbearing age? No money to be made there.
No government funds are spent on abortions at Planned Parenthood (unless they meet Hyde Amendment criteria).

They do not turn away postmenopausal women.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ge...omens-services

"Women's Services

...

Menopause Testing and Treatment

...

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Originally Posted by Jo48 View Post
I can go you one better. When my husband went to get a vasectomy in 1984 after our 2nd child was born, I had to give MY consent, and we had to listen to a "what if" speech and wait 24 hours before the procedure.

We were both shocked at this. My husband and I were in our mid 30's, married 10 years with 2 children, and made this decision before we even got married.

Birth control was illegal in 1984? Maybe MALE birth control was/is?
No, birth control was not illegal in 1984. There are laws concerning sterilization, primarily because of abuses in the past.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steril..._United_States

What you and your husband experienced was a policy of the person doing the procedure, not a law.

There are waiting periods for people for whom the government is paying for the procedure.
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:11 PM
 
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Oh, good Lord ... Educate yourselves.
I have educated myself, hence my reply. Now, you try it.
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:43 PM
 
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Many have abortions because they can't afford another child. But yet you want them to have this child, that they can't afford. So they go on welfare, collect food stamps just to provide. But you want to eliminate or reduce these benefits as well. What are they supposed to do?
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Old 05-27-2018, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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What are they supposed to do?
Not have sex, apparently. That's the only sure way to never have to make a decision about abortion.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:13 PM
 
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Not have sex, apparently. That's the only sure way to never have to make a decision about abortion.
Yet men are free to have all the sex they want without any consequences of getting someone pregnant
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:39 AM
 
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Yet men are free to have all the sex they want without any consequences of getting someone pregnant
Perhaps where you live, but not in some other states. If the woman decides to have the baby, depends on public assistance, and can (and is willing to) name the father (and he is the actual father) he's going to be paying child support for 18 years...or at least is going to have judgements against him.

Unless the law has changed in California post 2007, if a married woman fools around on her husband and gets pregnant from the affair, the husband rather than the other man is legally responsible for the child . The reasoning...it's in the best interest of the child.
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