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Old 05-20-2018, 11:28 AM
 
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When Mueller is finished, we can assume he will probably release a 500+ page, maybe even 1,000+ page report of his findings.

It's safe to assume that, Mueller does believe there was wrongdoing, he will provide proof. Lots of proof. Phone records, financial documents, e-mails, hand written notes, text messages, bank transfers, witness testimony, phone tapped conversations, etc.

When the Mueller report comes out, IF it proves in great detail and with a lot of supporting evidence, that members of Trump's campaign, family, or possibly Trump himself, did accept bribes from, were blackmailed by, or engaged in "pay to play" with the Russians, Chinese, or UAE, do you think Trump supporters would accept it?

I assume if Meuller's report crushes Trump, Donald will immediately take his tweets to DEFCON 1 and berate Mueller and the investigation on a level we haven't yet seen. I could also see it triggering a Saturday Night Massacre scenario where Trump fires Rosenstein and appoints somebody who will fire Mueller. Will Trump supporters get behind 45 and echo his insults and accusations of Mueller and the"Deep State?"

Ultimately, I guess my main yes or no question is this: If Mueller proves, beyond a reasonable doubt and with a ton of evidence, that Trump was compromised in any way, would ANY of his supporters break off from him?

 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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When Mueller is finished, we can assume he will probably release a 500+ page, maybe even 1,000+ page report of his findings.

It's safe to assume that, Mueller does believe there was wrongdoing, he will provide proof. Lots of proof. Phone records, financial documents, e-mails, hand written notes, text messages, bank transfers, witness testimony, phone tapped conversations, etc.

When the Mueller report comes out, IF it proves in great detail and with a lot of supporting evidence, that members of Trump's campaign, family, or possibly Trump himself, did accept bribes from, were blackmailed by, or engaged in "pay to play" with the Russians, Chinese, or UAE, do you think Trump supporters would accept it?

I assume if Meuller's report crushes Trump, Donald will immediately take his tweets to DEFCON 1 and berate Mueller and the investigation on a level we haven't yet seen. I could also see it triggering a Saturday Night Massacre scenario where Trump fires Rosenstein and appoints somebody who will fire Mueller. Will Trump supporters get behind 45 and echo his insults and accusations of Mueller and the"Deep State?"

Ultimately, I guess my main yes or no question is this: If Mueller proves, beyond a reasonable doubt and with a ton of evidence, that Trump was compromised in any way, would ANY of his supporters break off from him?
Of course they won't; they think he is the second coming 😒
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:30 AM
 
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When Mueller is finished, we can assume he will probably release a 500+ page, maybe even 1,000+ page report of his findings.

It's safe to assume that, Mueller does believe there was wrongdoing, he will provide proof. Lots of proof. Phone records, financial documents, e-mails, hand written notes, text messages, bank transfers, witness testimony, phone tapped conversations, etc.

When the Mueller report comes out, IF it proves in great detail and with a lot of supporting evidence, that members of Trump's campaign, family, or possibly Trump himself, did accept bribes from, were blackmailed by, or engaged in "pay to play" with the Russians, Chinese, or UAE, do you think Trump supporters would accept it?

I assume if Meuller's report crushes Trump, Donald will immediately take his tweets to DEFCON 1 and berate Mueller and the investigation on a level we haven't yet seen. I could also see it triggering a Saturday Night Massacre scenario where Trump fires Rosenstein and appoints somebody who will fire Mueller. Will Trump supporters get behind 45 and echo his insults and accusations of Mueller and the"Deep State?"

Ultimately, I guess my main yes or no question is this: If Mueller proves, beyond a reasonable doubt and with a ton of evidence, that Trump was compromised in any way, would ANY of his supporters break off from him?
Trump isn't under investigation.
Russia is.
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:32 AM
 
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magic 8 ball:

"My reply is no."
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:37 AM
 
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Trump isn't under investigation.
Russia is.
Trump and his cronies, including the Russians ARE under investigation. Open your eyes.
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:45 AM
 
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If Mueller has proof of wrongdoing, as in broken laws aplenty, I'd expect indictments and impeachment, not just some grandiose document release party. If he has enough to indict/impeach, then let the DoJ/House/Senate proceed accordingly.

Remember, if we are talking proof of a crime being committed, then that's what prosecutions are for, correct?

For example - mountains of proof that someone violates virtually every law regarding handling/storage/dissemination of classified material. You'd think that with mountains of proof, there'd be indictments and prosecutions, but apparently "I didn't mean to" and "I don't recall" are proper defense and eliminate all that proof entirely.

Certainly worked for Hillary Clinton, so I'd imagine the same doe-eyed claims of innocence and ignorance should suffice for Trump.

Over a year later, it will be interesting to see if Mueller finally found a crime somewhere, since he long ago stopped looking for evidence of one particular thing, and has spent the vast majority of his time looking for any evidence of anything he can pin to Trump.
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:48 AM
 
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Ultimately, I guess my main yes or no question is this: If Mueller proves, beyond a reasonable doubt and with a ton of evidence, that Trump was compromised in any way, would ANY of his supporters break off from him?
Don't be silly. If Trump actively colluded with Russia or Putin to win the 2016 election I'll be the first to call for his impeachment.

However, if all Mueller comes up with is a lame process crime like obstruction of justice that occurred during Mueller's investigation then no, I won't support it.

BTW, with all the intense and strategic leaking going on we would've heard about collusion by now.
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Over a year later, it will be interesting to see if Mueller finally found a crime somewhere, since he long ago stopped looking for evidence of one particular thing, and has spent the vast majority of his time looking for any evidence of anything he can pin to Trump.
That is why I think they will eventually get Trump.

This isn't about Russian collusion. This is about removing Trump, he isn't squeaky clean. Will Mueller find something from the 1980s?
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:50 AM
 
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Ultimately, I guess my main yes or no question is this: If Mueller proves, beyond a reasonable doubt and with a ton of evidence, that Trump was compromised in any way, would ANY of his supporters break off from him?
It's a rhetorical question.

Personally I doubt that many believe it. Most of them are building a narrative wherein they can convince themselves that it is all a set up. They are mentally preparing to deny the facts.
 
Old 05-20-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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Trump has been exposed as lying, thieving, womanizer with out morals on a daily basis. His followers accept it all with joy.
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