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Old 05-23-2018, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Homicide: the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another

A woman choosing to have an abortion has done nothing unlawful and has not killed a person. Doesn't make it lawful for someone else to choose to terminate a woman's pregnancy.
If that person is charged with HOMICIDE and if your definition is correct-then by logic, the fetus is a person. He wasn't charged with "unlawful termination of a pregnancy", he was charged with homicide.

In that case-why is it acceptable for a woman to murder her child?
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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I agree this “doctor” deserves a harsh sentence, no matter what you want to call the charges.

By the same token, making everything equal, if a man wants the fetus aborted and the woman does not, the man should have no financial responsibility toward the child.

While I could never live with myself knowing that I had a child out there in the world without my support, not all men feel the same. It is a pro choice argument. It would be the fairest way to deal with issues like this.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:39 AM
 
Location: London
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So if you have consensual sex with someone you somehow then have half ownership of their body? A proxy vote? So if I give you an STD do you have to get my consent to be treated for it?


And if you feel both parties have equal say on a pregnancy 50/50, although only one party has 100% of the risk, side effects, financial expense, and burden of the pregnancy/birth/abortion who cast the deciding vote.
Exactly. Men can have "equal say" with the fetus when they're carrying it in their organs for 4.5 months and suffering through half of the delivery.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:41 AM
 
Location: London
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If I got pregnant tomorrow...

I would need to take time off of work regularly for medical appointments, not my partner.
I would need to be on bedrest for months due to preexisting medical complications, not my partner (and any woman can unexpectedly find herself in that position).
I would overrun my FMLA time (unpaid), not my partner.
I would lose my job for overrunning my FMLA time, not my partner.
I take on the additional strain on my kidneys, heart, and other organs, not my partner.
I have the health risks associated with pregnancy and birth, including preeclampsia, gestational diabetes, potential c-section, tearing my body from vagina to anus, and/or death, not my partner.
I have the elevated risk of depression and suicide following birth, not my partner.

But yes, pregnancy is equally on the man. Sure. Ok.
Well, the man had fun one night, so that overrules all of that.
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Old 05-23-2018, 09:58 AM
 
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If that person is charged with HOMICIDE and if your definition is correct-then by logic, the fetus is a person. He wasn't charged with "unlawful termination of a pregnancy", he was charged with homicide.

In that case-why is it acceptable for a woman to murder her child?
Then change the charge from fetal homicide to unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
It does not change the fact that consensual abortion under certain parameters is legal and non consensual termination of a pregnancy is not.
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