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Old 04-08-2010, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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"The Nebraska legislature is getting ready for its second vote on a measure that would ban abortion after 20 weeks gestation on the basis of fetal pain. If passed and signed into law, the legislation could pose a direct challenge to the 1973 Roe v. Wade case, because it applies a different standard for restricting abortion than the one used by the Supreme Court."

"The “Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (LB 1103 (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/AM/AM2063.pdf - broken link)), authored by Speaker Mike Flood, has already won its first round of approval in the Unicameral, Nebraska’s legislative body, by a vote of 38 - 5. A second reading on the bill is expected to take place soon as there are only six days remaining before the legislature concludes its work for the 2010 legislative year. "

Nebraska Moves Ahead with Abortion Ban Based on Fetal Pain

Justice Roberts has said, they’re ready.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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A new strategy. We will have to wait to see how the courts will react to this one.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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It's an interesting approach, to say the least. At 20 weeks, a normal fetus is capable of feeling pain.

Personally, I would set the limit at viability, which is somewhere around 26 weeks or so. In fact, a number of states have this limit for easy access to abortion - and limited access after that time period.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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(1) At least by twenty weeks after 1 fertilization there
is substantial evidence that an unborn child has the physical
structures necessary to experience pain;

(2) There is substantial evidence that, by twenty weeks
after fertilization, unborn children seek to evade certain stimuli
in a manner which in an infant or an adult would be interpreted as
a response to pain;

(3) Anesthesia is routinely administered to unborn
children who have developed twenty weeks or more past fertilization
who undergo prenatal surgery;

http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/AM/AM2063.pdf (broken link)

(4) Even before twenty weeks after fertilization, unborn
children have been observed to exhibit hormonal stress responses to
painful stimuli. Such responses were reduced when pain medication
was administered directly to such unborn children; and

(5) It is the purpose of the State of Nebraska to assert
a compelling state interest in protecting the lives of unborn
children from the stage at which substantial medical evidence
indicates that they are capable of feeling pain

Last edited by CaseyB; 04-08-2010 at 08:52 PM..
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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(1) At least by twenty weeks after 1 fertilization there
is substantial evidence that an unborn child has the physical
structures necessary to experience pain;

(2) There is substantial evidence that, by twenty weeks
after fertilization, unborn children seek to evade certain stimuli
in a manner which in an infant or an adult would be interpreted as
a response to pain;

(3) Anesthesia is routinely administered to unborn
children who have developed twenty weeks or more past fertilization
who undergo prenatal surgery;

(4) Even before twenty weeks after fertilization, unborn
children have been observed to exhibit hormonal stress responses to
painful stimuli. Such responses were reduced when pain medication
was administered directly to such unborn children; and

(5) It is the purpose of the State of Nebraska to assert
a compelling state interest in protecting the lives of unborn
children from the stage at which substantial medical evidence
indicates that they are capable of feeling pain

This sounds reasonable to me.
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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Originally Posted by DraggingCanoe View Post
(1) At least by twenty weeks after 1 fertilization there
is substantial evidence that an unborn child has the physical
structures necessary to experience pain;

(2) There is substantial evidence that, by twenty weeks
after fertilization, unborn children seek to evade certain stimuli
in a manner which in an infant or an adult would be interpreted as
a response to pain;

(3) Anesthesia is routinely administered to unborn
children who have developed twenty weeks or more past fertilization
who undergo prenatal surgery;

(4) Even before twenty weeks after fertilization, unborn
children have been observed to exhibit hormonal stress responses to
painful stimuli. Such responses were reduced when pain medication
was administered directly to such unborn children; and

(5) It is the purpose of the State of Nebraska to assert
a compelling state interest in protecting the lives of unborn
children from the stage at which substantial medical evidence
indicates that they are capable of feeling pain
Are these personal opinions, some neocon MALE congressman's opinions.....?????

I certainly hope if this passes in Nebraska the males are man enough to all go out and get a vasectomy....including the geek who proposed this....(they won't be).
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Are these personal opinions, some neocon MALE congressman's opinions.....?????

I certainly hope if this passes in Nebraska the males are man enough to all go out and get a vasectomy....including the geek who proposed this....(they won't be).

Sec. 7. Any person who intentionally or recklessly
performs or attempts to perform an abortion in violation of
section 5 of this act is guilty of a Class IV felony.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Hey, you got a link to any of this stuff? There are copyright laws you know.
Click the link. Click LB1103. Everything is there. If you require additional assistance or guidance please do not hesitate to ask.

Never heard of a government document being protected by copyright law.

Last edited by DraggingCanoe; 04-08-2010 at 07:11 PM..
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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Are these personal opinions, some neocon MALE congressman's opinions.....?????

I certainly hope if this passes in Nebraska the males are man enough to all go out and get a vasectomy....including the geek who proposed this....(they won't be).
you realize that neocons are socially liberal, right?
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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"The Nebraska legislature is getting ready for its second vote on a measure that would ban abortion after 20 weeks gestation on the basis of fetal pain. If passed and signed into law, the legislation could pose a direct challenge to the 1973 Roe v. Wade case, because it applies a different standard for restricting abortion than the one used by the Supreme Court."

"The “Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act” (LB 1103 (http://nebraskalegislature.gov/FloorDocs/Current/PDF/AM/AM2063.pdf - broken link)), authored by Speaker Mike Flood, has already won its first round of approval in the Unicameral, Nebraska’s legislative body, by a vote of 38 - 5. A second reading on the bill is expected to take place soon as there are only six days remaining before the legislature concludes its work for the 2010 legislative year. "

Nebraska Moves Ahead with Abortion Ban Based on Fetal Pain

Justice Roberts has said, they’re ready.

I had a little to do with that- thank you. It was a clever strategy and an approach that has not been used. Oddly enough, it makes perfect physiological success and is based entirely in medical facts. the evidence is irrefutable and is based on hard science, with the extrapolation of the adult scenario of an anesthetized patient during a surgical procedure, unable to communicate verbally sensations of pain.
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